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Hating liberals and hating liberalism are two different things. You can yourself be a liberal and dislike the train you're riding on. I would count myself as on

by tomlin 4y ago

Hating liberals and hating liberalism are two different things. You can yourself be a liberal and dislike the train you're riding on. I would count myself as one. I think a rational person would argue actions > words. Actions: building the world's largest EV fleet/tech, building alternative energy sources, investing in renewable tech. You're actually advocating for the "other investors", like the Saudi Prince. Imagine being a real, actual liberal and advocating for a government that behead women for "cheating" on their "husbands" – OVER – a billionaire building EVs. And if you are into words over actions, watch his TED talk. I don't see any reason why he would bring Trump back on. His main talking points were the invisibility of Twitter's algorithm. When pressed on being a "free speech absolutist", he conceded several points where it doesn't make sense to be an absolutist.

kelnos 4y ago
> ... actions > words. Actions: building the world's largest EV fleet/tech, building alternative energy sources, investing in renewable tech. It's possible, of course, to hold different political views on different aspects of society. Musk might believe that we need to take better care of our planet, and also hedge against the possibility that we destroy it and need to find a new home. He can also believe that freedom of speech should be near-absolute, and that Trump (et al.) deserve to be allowed to be on Twitter. He can also believe that high taxes, large government, and business regulation of any kind is bad. None of these views are necessarily in conflict with each other, and many of them might be considered liberal, but they can still result in a dystopian future.
tsol 4y ago
>a government that behead women for "cheating" on their "husbands" Citation needed. They aren't great but that isn't a punishment in KSA
- tomlin 4y ago
  You are missing the point, but sure. I think we're being a bit pedantic if we're arguing the humanity of beheading vs. stoning. The end result is the same. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-stoned-death-adultery-saudi-6912835 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-stoned-death-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia#Adultery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Ar... http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-floggingsandamputationsjusticesaudistyle.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-fl...
  - tomlin 4y ago
    Also, you claimed that beheading isn't a form of punishment, yet it is listed on the second link I posted ^ > The use of public beheading as the method of capital punishment and the number of executions have attracted strong international criticism.[65] Several executions, particularly of foreign workers, have sparked international outcries.
    - tsol 4y ago
      It isn't a punishment _for_ _cheating_. Anyways it's not being pedantic, it's accuracy.
      - tomlin 4y ago
        Alright, have it your way. "that isn't a punishment in KSA" – well, it actually is. Beheading is beheading. You're splitting hairs at this point. You didn't say "isn't a punishment for cheating", you said "isn't a punishment in KSA" period. There's that accuracy you wanted.

by tomlin 4y ago

kelnos 4y ago

> ... actions > words. Actions: building the world's largest EV fleet/tech, building alternative energy sources, investing in renewable tech. It's possible, of course, to hold different political views on different aspects of society. Musk might believe that we need to take better care of our planet, and also hedge against the possibility that we destroy it and need to find a new home. He can also believe that freedom of speech should be near-absolute, and that Trump (et al.) deserve to be allowed to be on Twitter. He can also believe that high taxes, large government, and business regulation of any kind is bad. None of these views are necessarily in conflict with each other, and many of them might be considered liberal, but they can still result in a dystopian future.

tsol 4y ago

>a government that behead women for "cheating" on their "husbands" Citation needed. They aren't great but that isn't a punishment in KSA

tomlin 4y ago
You are missing the point, but sure. I think we're being a bit pedantic if we're arguing the humanity of beheading vs. stoning. The end result is the same. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-stoned-death-adultery-saudi-6912835 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/woman-stoned-death-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia#Adultery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Ar... http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-floggingsandamputationsjusticesaudistyle.html http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/9/5/beheadings-fl...
- tomlin 4y ago
  Also, you claimed that beheading isn't a form of punishment, yet it is listed on the second link I posted ^ > The use of public beheading as the method of capital punishment and the number of executions have attracted strong international criticism.[65] Several executions, particularly of foreign workers, have sparked international outcries.
  - tsol 4y ago
    It isn't a punishment _for_ _cheating_. Anyways it's not being pedantic, it's accuracy.
    - tomlin 4y ago
      Alright, have it your way. "that isn't a punishment in KSA" – well, it actually is. Beheading is beheading. You're splitting hairs at this point. You didn't say "isn't a punishment for cheating", you said "isn't a punishment in KSA" period. There's that accuracy you wanted.