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> Technically true, but without context, easily misunderstood. It's practically true, and there is nothing to "misunderstand" there, unless you try to create s

> Technically true, but without context, easily misunderstood. It's practically true, and there is nothing to "misunderstand" there, unless you try to create such a misunderstanding by claiming this comes out of some kind of "general ban", when it's actually a very specific ban German states started putting in place [0]. Case in point; > Since Russia attack on Ukraine is an illegal act, it's illegal to promote or advocate for the war, and this includes the Z symbol. The US attack on Iraq was also illegal, yet that didn't lead to German states banning the V symbol for Victory or any other US symbols, or US media, getting banned. Which is not the only example of how most about this is purely political and not in any way based on impartial interpretation and application of laws for human rights and "justice" [1]. [0] https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-03/z-symbol-russland-ukraine-krieg-bundeslaender-verbot https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2022-03/z-symbol-rus... [1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-delivered-justice-for-civilian-drone-strike-victims-it-failed/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/08/germany-could-have-deli...

V__ 4y ago
> some kind of "general ban", when it's actually a very specific ban German states started putting in place [0]. But it does, it's just that to prevent a misuse, any ban on symbols (which are used to advocate or promote something criminal) a separate law is needed to prevent misuse and allow judiciary overview. That's an additional protection. > US attack on Iraq was also illegal That's a fair point (and I agree on the illegality), and I would actually like this to be challenged in the court and see a decision. However, the Russian flag is not banned, just the Z symbol as a symbol for this war. If there was a symbol for U.S. drone strike or the invasion of Iraq we could be talking about something more concrete.
- freeflight 4y ago
  > However, the Russian flag is not banned, just the Z symbol as a symbol for this war. The Z symbol exists for the same reason why the V symbol existed on US military vehicles in Iraq; It's mainly a friendly fire and unit identifier as Russia and Ukraine use a lot of the same mechanized equipment. While the Anglo V also stands for V as in "Victory" and even has a hand sign associated with it, it's a whole campaign dating back to WWII and Winston Churchill [0]. Me and many of my schoolmates would flash it at US military convoys passing our bus at school trips in the 90s. The soldiers were always super happy about it, while we thought we were signaling "peace" to them. Ultimately the V would morph into a Chevron with different orientations to distinguish what military group a vehicle belongs to [0], but there is a whole propagandist history behind the Anglo use of V, overlapping very much in the same ways of military necessity as the Russian Z does. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20150708011459/https://time.com/hive.org/web/20150708011459/http://time.com/3880345/v-for-victory-a-gesture-of-solidarity-and-defiance/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150708011459/https://time.com/... [1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-significance-of-the-inverted-V-on-the-side-corners-of-US-tanks https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-significance-of-the-invert...

V__ 4y ago

> some kind of "general ban", when it's actually a very specific ban German states started putting in place [0]. But it does, it's just that to prevent a misuse, any ban on symbols (which are used to advocate or promote something criminal) a separate law is needed to prevent misuse and allow judiciary overview. That's an additional protection. > US attack on Iraq was also illegal That's a fair point (and I agree on the illegality), and I would actually like this to be challenged in the court and see a decision. However, the Russian flag is not banned, just the Z symbol as a symbol for this war. If there was a symbol for U.S. drone strike or the invasion of Iraq we could be talking about something more concrete.

freeflight 4y ago
> However, the Russian flag is not banned, just the Z symbol as a symbol for this war. The Z symbol exists for the same reason why the V symbol existed on US military vehicles in Iraq; It's mainly a friendly fire and unit identifier as Russia and Ukraine use a lot of the same mechanized equipment. While the Anglo V also stands for V as in "Victory" and even has a hand sign associated with it, it's a whole campaign dating back to WWII and Winston Churchill [0]. Me and many of my schoolmates would flash it at US military convoys passing our bus at school trips in the 90s. The soldiers were always super happy about it, while we thought we were signaling "peace" to them. Ultimately the V would morph into a Chevron with different orientations to distinguish what military group a vehicle belongs to [0], but there is a whole propagandist history behind the Anglo use of V, overlapping very much in the same ways of military necessity as the Russian Z does. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20150708011459/https://time.com/hive.org/web/20150708011459/http://time.com/3880345/v-for-victory-a-gesture-of-solidarity-and-defiance/ https://web.archive.org/web/20150708011459/https://time.com/... [1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-significance-of-the-inverted-V-on-the-side-corners-of-US-tanks https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-significance-of-the-invert...