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I disagree. I find their examples a good collection of the kind of viewpoints that get caught in the crossfire and disallowed when content moderation goes too f

I disagree. I find their examples a good collection of the kind of viewpoints that get caught in the crossfire and disallowed when content moderation goes too far. To be clear: there is often a lot of gray area and some middle ground to be taken in complex debates. When one side (eg: far-right American trollish behaviour) goes too hard in to the paint, the (over?) reaction by the opposing side(s) often loses perspective and it's the more reasonable opinions in the middle that get squashed in the well meaning attempts to supress troll like extremist influence. I think the above post highlights exactly these kind of opinions that get steamrolled away, even though many of them are within the realm of sensible debate.

nullc 5y ago
I think that highlighting would have accomplished that better without sarcastically presenting them as "bad views". All the sarcasm accomplished was an indirect criticism of the prior poster who asserted without evidence tech figureheads were tweeting "overtly racist and otherwise hateful political Tweets". It's pretty uncharitable to assume they were referring to stuff on that list (many of which aren't just in the realm of sensible debate, but are actually majority views-- e.g. #1 we can look to the results of the ballot measure). I don't think anyone seriously doubts that with enough searching we could find a couple examples that would make their claim technically true, at the very least... without delving into comments within the realm of sensible debate. We shouldn't need to be so cynical, but if we must we don't need to do it at the expense of other participants here! Twitter encourages hot-takes. Because of that all sorts of ill considered crap shows up there-- and that includes both inappropriately tarring views as racist as well as racist views that most people would agree are racist.
- switchbak 5y ago
  That's true, it probably would have helped had the original poster provided some examples of the supposed racist behaviour to save us the trouble of speculating.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    It really isn’t germane and had I posted examples the thread almost certainly would have devolved further since this stuff really brings out the trolls.

nullc 5y ago

I think that highlighting would have accomplished that better without sarcastically presenting them as "bad views". All the sarcasm accomplished was an indirect criticism of the prior poster who asserted without evidence tech figureheads were tweeting "overtly racist and otherwise hateful political Tweets". It's pretty uncharitable to assume they were referring to stuff on that list (many of which aren't just in the realm of sensible debate, but are actually majority views-- e.g. #1 we can look to the results of the ballot measure). I don't think anyone seriously doubts that with enough searching we could find a couple examples that would make their claim technically true, at the very least... without delving into comments within the realm of sensible debate. We shouldn't need to be so cynical, but if we must we don't need to do it at the expense of other participants here! Twitter encourages hot-takes. Because of that all sorts of ill considered crap shows up there-- and that includes both inappropriately tarring views as racist as well as racist views that most people would agree are racist.

switchbak 5y ago
That's true, it probably would have helped had the original poster provided some examples of the supposed racist behaviour to save us the trouble of speculating.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  It really isn’t germane and had I posted examples the thread almost certainly would have devolved further since this stuff really brings out the trolls.