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Pop _OS 22.04 LTS has landed

70 points by Tinkeringz 4y ago

tmd83 4y ago
What are the top choices everyone would suggest in terms of Linux OS for reasonably upgraded packages, package availability in terms of dev/tech person and perhaps most importantly a sane and reasonably pain free upgrade path (no reinstall every year or something).
- MonaroVXR 4y ago
  Yeah, difficult to answer, Pop! Is the answer, I'm a RHEL person, so I stay faithful, but Pop! is really nice with all those small changes.
- smackeyacky 4y ago
  Server, workstation, gaming or casual use? I like plain old debian for servers. If you don't need new hardware support its bombproof and really well supported. For laptops...Mint or Pop. Pop seems better to me than Ubuntu as its pretty slimmed down but most of the debian recipes work on it and it works with Nvidia laptops really well (as does Mint). I can't really recommend Ubuntu any more. The snap thing is just not cool. CentOS seemed cool when I ran it up in a VM recently, but since my server stuff is debian, I stick with debian variants.
grepfru_it 4y ago
Does it support secure boot yet?
- ladyanita22 4y ago
  Not at all. Ubuntu or Fedora for that.
0172 4y ago
Any idea if ARM will be officially supported?
- lproven 4y ago
  There is already a RasPi 4 version. AFAIK no other Arm machines are supported.
wildrhythms 4y ago
Big fan of Pop_OS... I'm using it on a Framework laptop. Great sane defaults and look and feel.
- ladyanita22 4y ago
  How was the fingerprint reader working out of the box? Did you have to do anything?
  - brynx97 4y ago
    As of December 2021, it did not, but it is much improved from the various threads on framework forums. > apt install libpam-fprintd Settings > Users > Fingerprint Login kernel 5.16, pop_os 21.10, gnome 40.4.0
4oo4 4y ago
Does anyone else recommend this to people first trying out Linux? I have been mentioning this and Mint (though I use Debian PopOS! seems like the better of the two), and I'm curious which of them (or any other distro) helps convert more Windows users. I stopped recommending Ubuntu a few years ago because of snaps, they're such an Ubuntu specific thing in practice that I think it's harmful for people learning Linux.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  I never recommend minor distros to new users (and honestly to anyone else) for the simple reason that there is no guarantee they'll stick around or are secure. Newbies need something that is guaranteed to be supported for years. For new users Ubuntu is by far the sanest distribution because it ships with codecs and drivers, is backed by a sizable company, and has by far the widest software support. Only Linux enthusiasts are obsessed with snaps.
  - 4oo4 4y ago
    Fair point, from personal experience would you say people tend to stick with Linux if you recommend Ubuntu and they actually give it a good try?
    - Barrin92 4y ago
      yes although there's an uncanny valley. I've given a lot of older family members linux laptops and they do just fine given that they mostly browse the web. At the other end devs do fine with linux anyway. Problem is still the people in the middle. Even on the most mainstream distro there's still frustration if they work with software they can't replace and that's still often the case.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Pop isn't really that minor anymore, specially in Linux gaming. And its backed by an actual company. It ships with more up to date hardware support then Ubuntu.
- 4y ago
marc_from_ibg 4y ago
I moved away from Windows at the beginning of the year. My first Distro was Linux Mint, then Ubuntu 22.04 and yesterday I installed Pop_OS 22.04. Fedora didn't fit my requirements as it doesn't support fractional scaling. All very, very solid. I gave Pop_OS a try because I wanted a simple tiling window manager. It does all I want. The only thing I don't like is the color theme. I know it's a matter of taste but Pop_OS is by far the ugliest out there. Also the default backgrounds. Or the stacking window bar. I wonder what other users are thinking ... Otherwise is seems very awesome so far. I don't understand the complains regarding the Pop Shop. I think it's actually pretty good. E.g. I can choose to install VS Code from Flathub or as deb Package. That's nice.
- lproven 4y ago
  > Fedora didn't fit my requirements as it doesn't support fractional scaling. This is desktop dependent, not distro dependent. Only a few desktops support it so far: GNOME 3.x, KDE 5.x, and Cinnamon are the only ones I know of. Saying that I could not get it working on Ubuntu Cinnamon $LATEST. It does work on Mint $LATEST with the same release of Cinnamon.
- lioeters 4y ago
  > The only thing I don't like is the color theme. I'm also a new user of Pop_OS, and loving it. Nordic theme is my favorite. https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic For the background, I like macOS Mojave's default wallpaper, which blends well with the above theme. http://www.hdwallpaperslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/macos_mojave_night_desert_5k.jpg http://www.hdwallpaperslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/m...
  - marc_from_ibg 4y ago
    Woohoooo! I didn't know this great theme and how easy it is to install a new theme. Also, thanks for the background. I still need to find how to apply it to the terminal ... but I'm on a mission now :-). Edit: Done ... Awesome. Thanks a lot.
panick21_ 4y ago
They only thing I dislike about PopOS is that they have not gone all in on ZFS. The base Ubuntu has it. They could really move ahead of every other distro if they had ZFS native encryption by default.
- POPOSYS 4y ago
  This is another good example for what I described in my other comment - they only care for their very special setup but break the underlying distro in many ways. PopOS devs take the work of Ubuntu, add their 0.1% but break a lot of things that work good in [X|K]Ubuntu - that is not helpful for the OS ecosystem. They distribute a broken distro that only works within a very narrow default configuration. Not OK.
  - panick21_ 4y ago
    Very much disagree. They actually do more work then you suggest they do. And they upstream that work quite often, and its open source. Second, if you want X/K then why would you care about Pop? How is PopOS existing bad for you?
    - POPOSYS 4y ago
      It is bad because of the reasons I explained in my other comment. They pretend to release a whole distro while in fact they are only caring for a narrow set of packages and break other functionality of the same underlying distro. This is bad. If you distribute a whole distro it is expected that everything works, like it is the case with Debian or Ubuntu. It might produce a bad image of Linux as perceived by new users when they realize that many things of this distro do not work at all. This is not the quality delivered by other Linux distros, so it is doing a bad job in representing Linux. At least they should explain that on their website, e.g. "We deliver something we call a distro but this is not the same thing as you get from other people that deliver distros, we are only actively supporting one special desktop environment, but other things might not work as experienced with other distributions. We decided anyway to pretend we are releasing a whole Linux distro because..." (reason should be explained.) I hope this was better explained. I still totally respect the work they put into it and I am thankful that a company is doing this at all, but they are distributing their software in a bad way.
tuananh 4y ago
the best thing about pop os for me is the very sane default, out of the box experience. especially it's tiling by default and covers most basic use cases.
vlod 4y ago
I updated to Popos 22.04 yesterday and I immediately had problems with prisma (Error: Unknown binaryTarget debian-openssl-3.0.x and no custom binaries were provided). This is probably ubuntu/openssl related rather than pops. They do have a fix (you can switch to dev branch) or wait for it to be released next Tuesday: https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/11356#issuecomment-1109060096 https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/11356#issuecomment-1... I normally wait at least a month :facepalm: Might want to wait a week or so before updating.
aborsy 4y ago
ZFS is great for laptops. Automatic snapshots, error detection (the hardware is mishandled), encrypted backup, compression for limited space, etc. Why removing it?
- dTal 4y ago
  ZFS was designed for spinning disks - what is the performance meant to be like on modern NVMe SSDs? I have ZFS on my laptop and do not see very good numbers, but it's possible I misconfigured something.

70 points by Tinkeringz 4y ago

What are the top choices everyone would suggest in terms of Linux OS for reasonably upgraded packages, package availability in terms of dev/tech person and perhaps most importantly a sane and reasonably pain free upgrade path (no reinstall every year or something).

MonaroVXR 4y ago
Yeah, difficult to answer, Pop! Is the answer, I'm a RHEL person, so I stay faithful, but Pop! is really nice with all those small changes.
smackeyacky 4y ago
Server, workstation, gaming or casual use? I like plain old debian for servers. If you don't need new hardware support its bombproof and really well supported. For laptops...Mint or Pop. Pop seems better to me than Ubuntu as its pretty slimmed down but most of the debian recipes work on it and it works with Nvidia laptops really well (as does Mint). I can't really recommend Ubuntu any more. The snap thing is just not cool. CentOS seemed cool when I ran it up in a VM recently, but since my server stuff is debian, I stick with debian variants.

grepfru_it 4y ago

Does it support secure boot yet?

ladyanita22 4y ago
Not at all. Ubuntu or Fedora for that.

0172 4y ago

Any idea if ARM will be officially supported?

lproven 4y ago
There is already a RasPi 4 version. AFAIK no other Arm machines are supported.

wildrhythms 4y ago

Big fan of Pop_OS... I'm using it on a Framework laptop. Great sane defaults and look and feel.

ladyanita22 4y ago
How was the fingerprint reader working out of the box? Did you have to do anything?
- brynx97 4y ago
  As of December 2021, it did not, but it is much improved from the various threads on framework forums. > apt install libpam-fprintd Settings > Users > Fingerprint Login kernel 5.16, pop_os 21.10, gnome 40.4.0

4oo4 4y ago

Does anyone else recommend this to people first trying out Linux? I have been mentioning this and Mint (though I use Debian PopOS! seems like the better of the two), and I'm curious which of them (or any other distro) helps convert more Windows users. I stopped recommending Ubuntu a few years ago because of snaps, they're such an Ubuntu specific thing in practice that I think it's harmful for people learning Linux.

Barrin92 4y ago
I never recommend minor distros to new users (and honestly to anyone else) for the simple reason that there is no guarantee they'll stick around or are secure. Newbies need something that is guaranteed to be supported for years. For new users Ubuntu is by far the sanest distribution because it ships with codecs and drivers, is backed by a sizable company, and has by far the widest software support. Only Linux enthusiasts are obsessed with snaps.
- 4oo4 4y ago
  Fair point, from personal experience would you say people tend to stick with Linux if you recommend Ubuntu and they actually give it a good try?
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    yes although there's an uncanny valley. I've given a lot of older family members linux laptops and they do just fine given that they mostly browse the web. At the other end devs do fine with linux anyway. Problem is still the people in the middle. Even on the most mainstream distro there's still frustration if they work with software they can't replace and that's still often the case.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Pop isn't really that minor anymore, specially in Linux gaming. And its backed by an actual company. It ships with more up to date hardware support then Ubuntu.
4y ago

marc_from_ibg 4y ago

I moved away from Windows at the beginning of the year. My first Distro was Linux Mint, then Ubuntu 22.04 and yesterday I installed Pop_OS 22.04. Fedora didn't fit my requirements as it doesn't support fractional scaling. All very, very solid. I gave Pop_OS a try because I wanted a simple tiling window manager. It does all I want. The only thing I don't like is the color theme. I know it's a matter of taste but Pop_OS is by far the ugliest out there. Also the default backgrounds. Or the stacking window bar. I wonder what other users are thinking ... Otherwise is seems very awesome so far. I don't understand the complains regarding the Pop Shop. I think it's actually pretty good. E.g. I can choose to install VS Code from Flathub or as deb Package. That's nice.

lproven 4y ago
> Fedora didn't fit my requirements as it doesn't support fractional scaling. This is desktop dependent, not distro dependent. Only a few desktops support it so far: GNOME 3.x, KDE 5.x, and Cinnamon are the only ones I know of. Saying that I could not get it working on Ubuntu Cinnamon $LATEST. It does work on Mint $LATEST with the same release of Cinnamon.
lioeters 4y ago
> The only thing I don't like is the color theme. I'm also a new user of Pop_OS, and loving it. Nordic theme is my favorite. https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic https://github.com/EliverLara/Nordic For the background, I like macOS Mojave's default wallpaper, which blends well with the above theme. http://www.hdwallpaperslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/macos_mojave_night_desert_5k.jpg http://www.hdwallpaperslife.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/m...
- marc_from_ibg 4y ago
  Woohoooo! I didn't know this great theme and how easy it is to install a new theme. Also, thanks for the background. I still need to find how to apply it to the terminal ... but I'm on a mission now :-). Edit: Done ... Awesome. Thanks a lot.

panick21_ 4y ago

They only thing I dislike about PopOS is that they have not gone all in on ZFS. The base Ubuntu has it. They could really move ahead of every other distro if they had ZFS native encryption by default.

POPOSYS 4y ago
This is another good example for what I described in my other comment - they only care for their very special setup but break the underlying distro in many ways. PopOS devs take the work of Ubuntu, add their 0.1% but break a lot of things that work good in [X|K]Ubuntu - that is not helpful for the OS ecosystem. They distribute a broken distro that only works within a very narrow default configuration. Not OK.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Very much disagree. They actually do more work then you suggest they do. And they upstream that work quite often, and its open source. Second, if you want X/K then why would you care about Pop? How is PopOS existing bad for you?
  - POPOSYS 4y ago
    It is bad because of the reasons I explained in my other comment. They pretend to release a whole distro while in fact they are only caring for a narrow set of packages and break other functionality of the same underlying distro. This is bad. If you distribute a whole distro it is expected that everything works, like it is the case with Debian or Ubuntu. It might produce a bad image of Linux as perceived by new users when they realize that many things of this distro do not work at all. This is not the quality delivered by other Linux distros, so it is doing a bad job in representing Linux. At least they should explain that on their website, e.g. "We deliver something we call a distro but this is not the same thing as you get from other people that deliver distros, we are only actively supporting one special desktop environment, but other things might not work as experienced with other distributions. We decided anyway to pretend we are releasing a whole Linux distro because..." (reason should be explained.) I hope this was better explained. I still totally respect the work they put into it and I am thankful that a company is doing this at all, but they are distributing their software in a bad way.

tuananh 4y ago

the best thing about pop os for me is the very sane default, out of the box experience. especially it's tiling by default and covers most basic use cases.

vlod 4y ago

I updated to Popos 22.04 yesterday and I immediately had problems with prisma (Error: Unknown binaryTarget debian-openssl-3.0.x and no custom binaries were provided). This is probably ubuntu/openssl related rather than pops. They do have a fix (you can switch to dev branch) or wait for it to be released next Tuesday: https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/11356#issuecomment-1109060096 https://github.com/prisma/prisma/issues/11356#issuecomment-1... I normally wait at least a month :facepalm: Might want to wait a week or so before updating.

aborsy 4y ago

ZFS is great for laptops. Automatic snapshots, error detection (the hardware is mishandled), encrypted backup, compression for limited space, etc. Why removing it?

dTal 4y ago
ZFS was designed for spinning disks - what is the performance meant to be like on modern NVMe SSDs? I have ZFS on my laptop and do not see very good numbers, but it's possible I misconfigured something.