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Without weighing in on the broader issue, the two options you present are a distinction without a difference. If someone's actions reflect values that are repre
by zbentley 5y ago
Without weighing in on the broader issue, the two options you present are a distinction without a difference. If someone's actions reflect values that are reprehensible to you, you dislike/disagree with that person. If you disagree with someone's values, you arrive at that disagreement by noticing actions they take which represent those values.
Cherry-picking examples that don't accurately reflect someone's values is a common problem, but that doesn't seem like what you're describing.
"Values" aren't some abstract thing; they're only visible through actions. Saying things is an action like any other (an unusually significant and/or representative one if you are a public figure).
- systemvoltage 5y agoGood response. Rephrasing my statement: What's going on here is "I disagree with Elon's fundamental values, but let me pick X, Y and Z to make my case and ignore his accomplishments, almost impossible achievements and world of good he has done for the planet, humanity more broadly." So, it doesn't hold water IMO. Future generations will look at HN discussions (if they're perverse) and exclaim "They really argued about a rude pedo tweet vs. making our species multi-planetary. Boy,..oh boy."