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Most gaming trends don't last very long, especially now that every game company is trying to get into that space. If you're a top player at one game but then t

Most gaming trends don't last very long, especially now that every game company is trying to get into that space. If you're a top player at one game but then that game stops doing tournaments, it is probably a hard decision whether to walk away or learn a new game. Yes, a lot of motor skills might transfer over but a lot of knowledge is lost. EG: League of Legends and DOTA 2 are similar games but different metas, different characters, some different mechanics entirely. It's enough of a gulf that you have to put in a lot of effort to cross over, especially at the high end.

runnerup 5y ago
I completely agree, but it was very interesting to watch a top professional of Starcraft2, "HeroMarine", take over as the top player of the newest Age of Empires.
- bluefirebrand 5y ago
  That's pretty cool. I imagine a lot of the concepts are the same, just a lot of learning which units to use, when to use them, counter matchups, hotkeys and such. But there's definitely a lot of parallels between the games.
  - gus_massa 5y ago
    I'm trying to follow the transition of Beastyqt from SC2 to AoE4, and they are very different games. I still don't understand AoE4 to well, but IIUC in AoE4 there are no nukes that destroy your whole army in an instant, so you must watch every single army continuously to avoid traps like in SC2.
  - jmgao 5y ago
    It's a lot more basic than that. Everyone can steal game knowledge by just copying what other people do, but the ability of progamers to click quickly and accurately and efficiently divide their attention and context switch between multiple things is way harder to copy. If you've never seen the first person view of a Starcraft 1 progamer, you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAU2lw6BrQ#t=6m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAU2lw6BrQ#t=6m8s
    - cinntaile 5y ago
      It's the same with FPS games. Top players easily spot the tiniest movement, have really fast reflexes and are good at tracking. This transfers between FPS games.
  - xeromal 5y ago
    For sure. I've been casually playing RTSs since starcraft 1 (1998ish) and love RTS to this day even though they've slowly waned in popularity as consoles took over. Most are very similar especially in fundamentals. Gather resources, build, expand, and push. They usually just have a different coat of paint of it. What rules supreme in all RTS are the APM (actions per minute). I'm bummed we don't have more of them.
- Tarq0n 5y ago
  Fighting games and RTS tend to have a ton of carryover, with players like ChrisG, Sonicfox and Justin Wong competing in every new fighter release.
- skippyboxedhero 5y ago
  I think a significant proportion of the top AoE4 players came from SC2. BeastyQT, MarineLord, DeMuslim...I think it is only TheViper who came from AoE2 (and, I believe, he also was an SC2 player...another one was Hera, who quit the game after one tournament). But it is very similar with RTS, there is a huge crossover (although one factor here is that AoE4 isn't popular with a lot of the AoE2 crowd, another factor is that AoE4 has been a bit of a flop...pro games are getting terrible views so many are just choosing to stay on AoE2).
- CydeWeys 5y ago
  Starcraft and AoE are both micro-heavy RTSes with similar overall economic dynamics. I can totally see that skill carrying over.
  - deathgripsss 5y ago
    There is very little comparison between the micro aspects of SC2 and aoe. SC2 requires many more APM at the high end and microing individual units is much more important
- h0h0h0h0111 5y ago
  I think you have mixed up players - it was beastyqt who made the switch from Starcraft 2 to become the top AoE player. HeroMarine is still playing Starcraft 2 professionally at a very high level.
  - Bishonen88 5y ago
    They probably meant marinelord
impulser_ 5y ago
eSports trends last long time if the game developers care. League of Legends still kicking it. Dota2 still kicking it. CSGO still kicking it. These three been the top eSports games for over a decade now.
- reducesuffering 5y ago
  CSGO is getting wrecked by Valorant. It’s basically dead in the water in the US and will be out internationally soon too. CSGO is stuck in the past, can’t make obvious quality of life improvements, and Valorant is polished in a way that I’ve never seen so many women get into a competitive video game.
  - foepys 5y ago
    Was CS ever popular in the US? I thought the US was always more into Call of Duty.
    - reducesuffering 5y ago
      Call of Duty was for casuals and CS was for tryhards. Yes, CoD was more popular because of that.
    - VintageCool 5y ago
      CS was very popular in the US twenty years ago.
    - chmod775 5y ago
      The Call of Duty competetive scene is basically nonexistent and probably even beat by games such as Farming Simulator, which has more active esports teams.
  - dxhdr 5y ago
    Wait, what? https://steamcharts.com/app/730#All https://steamcharts.com/app/730#All Where on that chart is CSGO getting wrecked?

runnerup 5y ago

I completely agree, but it was very interesting to watch a top professional of Starcraft2, "HeroMarine", take over as the top player of the newest Age of Empires.

bluefirebrand 5y ago
That's pretty cool. I imagine a lot of the concepts are the same, just a lot of learning which units to use, when to use them, counter matchups, hotkeys and such. But there's definitely a lot of parallels between the games.
- gus_massa 5y ago
  I'm trying to follow the transition of Beastyqt from SC2 to AoE4, and they are very different games. I still don't understand AoE4 to well, but IIUC in AoE4 there are no nukes that destroy your whole army in an instant, so you must watch every single army continuously to avoid traps like in SC2.
- jmgao 5y ago
  It's a lot more basic than that. Everyone can steal game knowledge by just copying what other people do, but the ability of progamers to click quickly and accurately and efficiently divide their attention and context switch between multiple things is way harder to copy. If you've never seen the first person view of a Starcraft 1 progamer, you should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAU2lw6BrQ#t=6m8s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAU2lw6BrQ#t=6m8s
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    It's the same with FPS games. Top players easily spot the tiniest movement, have really fast reflexes and are good at tracking. This transfers between FPS games.
- xeromal 5y ago
  For sure. I've been casually playing RTSs since starcraft 1 (1998ish) and love RTS to this day even though they've slowly waned in popularity as consoles took over. Most are very similar especially in fundamentals. Gather resources, build, expand, and push. They usually just have a different coat of paint of it. What rules supreme in all RTS are the APM (actions per minute). I'm bummed we don't have more of them.
Tarq0n 5y ago
Fighting games and RTS tend to have a ton of carryover, with players like ChrisG, Sonicfox and Justin Wong competing in every new fighter release.
skippyboxedhero 5y ago
I think a significant proportion of the top AoE4 players came from SC2. BeastyQT, MarineLord, DeMuslim...I think it is only TheViper who came from AoE2 (and, I believe, he also was an SC2 player...another one was Hera, who quit the game after one tournament). But it is very similar with RTS, there is a huge crossover (although one factor here is that AoE4 isn't popular with a lot of the AoE2 crowd, another factor is that AoE4 has been a bit of a flop...pro games are getting terrible views so many are just choosing to stay on AoE2).
CydeWeys 5y ago
Starcraft and AoE are both micro-heavy RTSes with similar overall economic dynamics. I can totally see that skill carrying over.
- deathgripsss 5y ago
  There is very little comparison between the micro aspects of SC2 and aoe. SC2 requires many more APM at the high end and microing individual units is much more important
h0h0h0h0111 5y ago
I think you have mixed up players - it was beastyqt who made the switch from Starcraft 2 to become the top AoE player. HeroMarine is still playing Starcraft 2 professionally at a very high level.
- Bishonen88 5y ago
  They probably meant marinelord

impulser_ 5y ago

eSports trends last long time if the game developers care. League of Legends still kicking it. Dota2 still kicking it. CSGO still kicking it. These three been the top eSports games for over a decade now.

reducesuffering 5y ago
CSGO is getting wrecked by Valorant. It’s basically dead in the water in the US and will be out internationally soon too. CSGO is stuck in the past, can’t make obvious quality of life improvements, and Valorant is polished in a way that I’ve never seen so many women get into a competitive video game.
- foepys 5y ago
  Was CS ever popular in the US? I thought the US was always more into Call of Duty.
  - reducesuffering 5y ago
    Call of Duty was for casuals and CS was for tryhards. Yes, CoD was more popular because of that.
  - VintageCool 5y ago
    CS was very popular in the US twenty years ago.
  - chmod775 5y ago
    The Call of Duty competetive scene is basically nonexistent and probably even beat by games such as Farming Simulator, which has more active esports teams.
- dxhdr 5y ago
  Wait, what? https://steamcharts.com/app/730#All https://steamcharts.com/app/730#All Where on that chart is CSGO getting wrecked?