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I think Yishan wrong, at least in the case of Reddit. > They would like you to stop squabbling over stupid shit and causing drama so that they can spend their

by acid__ 4y ago

I think Yishan wrong, at least in the case of Reddit. > They would like you to stop squabbling over stupid shit and causing drama so that they can spend their time writing more features and having to adjudicate your stupid little fights. There is a community on Reddit that is currently at risk of being banned according to the admins. The community is a heavily moderated location to respectfully discuss controversial topics, one that is fairly insular and doesn’t advertise itself, and takes pride in respectful and nuanced discussion. They regularly have innocuous posts removed, while nearly all posts with truly dangerous ideas stay up — we can attribute that to one-off moderation errors, but repeated threats from the admins cannot be. The admin threats seem related to a specific issue which is not even in the top five most controversial things discussed on the subreddit. They’ve made it clear that any discussion on the topic is unacceptable, no matter how civil.

MauranKilom 4y ago
I'm curious which community you are talking about, although I understand that you had reasons for avoiding naming it.
goatsi 4y ago
That's a very vague comment to make without naming the subreddit and the topics being discussed on it. What are the "controversial topics" and what are the "truly dangerous ideas"?
- acid__ 4y ago
  Fair enough. I’m hesitant to name the subreddit because mentions of it only hasten its decline. Sorry for keeping it vague. The communities loves to write endless heapings of words, so I’m sure if and when it is banned, much ink will be spilled. Perhaps another member of the community will recognize which it is I am talking about (there is overlap with the HN crowd) and be able to summarize better than I.
  - MrMan 4y ago
    So eugenics
pengstrom 4y ago
Any guesses on which subreddit is described? Sounds interesting.
- fknorangesite 4y ago
  Probably /r/themotte, a place where people who think of themselves as hyper-rational use polite language to veil their abhorrent opinions.
  - acid__ 4y ago
    It sounds like we’re aligned that that subreddit is in danger because of its political opinions, not its communication style? Which is exactly counter to Yishan’s claims.
  - kenjackson 4y ago
    I just looked at that subreddit for the first time. It seems completely harmless. I didn't read a single thing that was controversial. It does probably contain some of the longest and most structured comments I've seen on reddit. But I'd be surprised if this was the subreddit the original poster was talking about (unless all of the "good stuff" was already banned).
mustacheemperor 4y ago
Is this the right place for me to raise my gripe about reddit's new approach to user bans? As of the most recent changes, once User A bans user B, B cannot reply to any comment replying to any thread or subthread originating from User A. So if User A is OP of a crowded post on the front page of a sub, User B can't reply to any comment that itself replies to the OP. This means that in the case of subreddits like /r/virtualreality (as one example), the conspiracy theorists who post hypernegative meme takes about facebook are gradually oversaturating the front page by simply banning every user who calls them out for acting like a wackjob in the comments. It puts a lot more burden for content moderation on the sub mods, since the community doesn't have as much ability to voice disagreement in replies (once a resident troll bans enough dissenting repliers, the only people who can reply are the remaining community minority that agree). It's also hard for the mods to detect, since they don't get any visibility to the ban system from their side. I would be hesitant to take advice on how to manage a social media communication platform at scale from anyone presiding over recent decisions at Reddit, since they seem to have equipped the most toxic users with the tools to pseudo-organically poison the well for open discussion.
esyir 4y ago
Would said community be something akin to a rhetorical castle feature, perchance?

by acid__ 4y ago

MauranKilom 4y ago

I'm curious which community you are talking about, although I understand that you had reasons for avoiding naming it.

goatsi 4y ago

That's a very vague comment to make without naming the subreddit and the topics being discussed on it. What are the "controversial topics" and what are the "truly dangerous ideas"?

acid__ 4y ago
Fair enough. I’m hesitant to name the subreddit because mentions of it only hasten its decline. Sorry for keeping it vague. The communities loves to write endless heapings of words, so I’m sure if and when it is banned, much ink will be spilled. Perhaps another member of the community will recognize which it is I am talking about (there is overlap with the HN crowd) and be able to summarize better than I.
- MrMan 4y ago
  So eugenics

pengstrom 4y ago

Any guesses on which subreddit is described? Sounds interesting.

fknorangesite 4y ago
Probably /r/themotte, a place where people who think of themselves as hyper-rational use polite language to veil their abhorrent opinions.
- acid__ 4y ago
  It sounds like we’re aligned that that subreddit is in danger because of its political opinions, not its communication style? Which is exactly counter to Yishan’s claims.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  I just looked at that subreddit for the first time. It seems completely harmless. I didn't read a single thing that was controversial. It does probably contain some of the longest and most structured comments I've seen on reddit. But I'd be surprised if this was the subreddit the original poster was talking about (unless all of the "good stuff" was already banned).

mustacheemperor 4y ago

Is this the right place for me to raise my gripe about reddit's new approach to user bans? As of the most recent changes, once User A bans user B, B cannot reply to any comment replying to any thread or subthread originating from User A. So if User A is OP of a crowded post on the front page of a sub, User B can't reply to any comment that itself replies to the OP. This means that in the case of subreddits like /r/virtualreality (as one example), the conspiracy theorists who post hypernegative meme takes about facebook are gradually oversaturating the front page by simply banning every user who calls them out for acting like a wackjob in the comments. It puts a lot more burden for content moderation on the sub mods, since the community doesn't have as much ability to voice disagreement in replies (once a resident troll bans enough dissenting repliers, the only people who can reply are the remaining community minority that agree). It's also hard for the mods to detect, since they don't get any visibility to the ban system from their side. I would be hesitant to take advice on how to manage a social media communication platform at scale from anyone presiding over recent decisions at Reddit, since they seem to have equipped the most toxic users with the tools to pseudo-organically poison the well for open discussion.

esyir 4y ago

Would said community be something akin to a rhetorical castle feature, perchance?