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I can sense this is written to make it sound cool and appealing. i.e. this is clearly a form of advertising.

by bsedlm 4y ago

goodpoint 4y ago
...and pretty gross.
paganel 4y ago
> i.e. this is clearly a form of advertising. Which in this particular instance (i.e. the military and the business of killing other people) can be called propaganda without a second thought about it. Someone linked to a Smarter Every Day YT video above which was filmed on a board of a US nuclear submarine, that was also blatant propaganda.
- LanceH 4y ago
  Just because someone doesn't share your negative view of the military doesn't make it propaganda. There is a certain arrogance in assuming the only way other people could possibly choose to do this is by being brainwashed. Military people write about their fond memories of weird situations they have lived in/through that civilians can't relate to. This doesn't make it all propaganda. This whole article writes like someone trying to explain the weird lives of submariners, and he's just scratching the surface.
  - hackyhacky 4y ago
    Propaganda doesn't mean that it's fake, or that it's brainwashing. It's just "primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda." [0] In this case, the agenda is to recruit for the armed forces. In other words "government marketing." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
    - LanceH 4y ago
      > "primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda." Yea, I don't see the agenda, just writing about some memories of the shared experiences of submariners, and trying to explain them to a wider audience.
      - hackyhacky 4y ago
        That's exactly how it works. The most effective propaganda is the one that you don't realize is propaganda.
Terry_Roll 4y ago
Recruitment in the military is becoming more difficult. Here in the UK, you get BBC's TopGear doing "cool things" with different parts of the military. Both USUK have various motor sport racing teams to make things seem cool, but its also an attempt to boost recruitment and the bleeding obvious is criminals can now sign up and join the forces, so the bar has been lowered, but I'm sure it can be spun another way! I know there are a lot of less fortunate who took advantage of educational programs and sponsorship, like prisoners get, to further their educational qualifications, and its a cheap way to see parts of the world if you want to travel. Saving that, you do meet some odd people in the military and PTSD is a big problem. Thing is Govt's make sure the Military PR is always the best so you never hear about those who have been mentally destroyed by the military, either directly or by being related to military personnel. Everything you hear Putin or China being accused of, goes on in your country as well, the so called free press are not that free!
ufmace 4y ago
Seems like a bit of a hostile interpretation. I'd say it's written to sound interesting to readers. Nobody would click to read and share an article where half the word count was technical details or moralizing about how they're all potential mass murderers.

I can sense this is written to make it sound cool and appealing. i.e. this is clearly a form of advertising.

by bsedlm 4y ago

I can sense this is written to make it sound cool and appealing. i.e. this is clearly a form of advertising.

goodpoint 4y ago

...and pretty gross.

paganel 4y ago

> i.e. this is clearly a form of advertising. Which in this particular instance (i.e. the military and the business of killing other people) can be called propaganda without a second thought about it. Someone linked to a Smarter Every Day YT video above which was filmed on a board of a US nuclear submarine, that was also blatant propaganda.

LanceH 4y ago
Just because someone doesn't share your negative view of the military doesn't make it propaganda. There is a certain arrogance in assuming the only way other people could possibly choose to do this is by being brainwashed. Military people write about their fond memories of weird situations they have lived in/through that civilians can't relate to. This doesn't make it all propaganda. This whole article writes like someone trying to explain the weird lives of submariners, and he's just scratching the surface.
- hackyhacky 4y ago
  Propaganda doesn't mean that it's fake, or that it's brainwashing. It's just "primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda." [0] In this case, the agenda is to recruit for the armed forces. In other words "government marketing." [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
  - LanceH 4y ago
    > "primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda." Yea, I don't see the agenda, just writing about some memories of the shared experiences of submariners, and trying to explain them to a wider audience.
    - hackyhacky 4y ago
      That's exactly how it works. The most effective propaganda is the one that you don't realize is propaganda.

Terry_Roll 4y ago

Recruitment in the military is becoming more difficult. Here in the UK, you get BBC's TopGear doing "cool things" with different parts of the military. Both USUK have various motor sport racing teams to make things seem cool, but its also an attempt to boost recruitment and the bleeding obvious is criminals can now sign up and join the forces, so the bar has been lowered, but I'm sure it can be spun another way! I know there are a lot of less fortunate who took advantage of educational programs and sponsorship, like prisoners get, to further their educational qualifications, and its a cheap way to see parts of the world if you want to travel. Saving that, you do meet some odd people in the military and PTSD is a big problem. Thing is Govt's make sure the Military PR is always the best so you never hear about those who have been mentally destroyed by the military, either directly or by being related to military personnel. Everything you hear Putin or China being accused of, goes on in your country as well, the so called free press are not that free!

ufmace 4y ago

Seems like a bit of a hostile interpretation. I'd say it's written to sound interesting to readers. Nobody would click to read and share an article where half the word count was technical details or moralizing about how they're all potential mass murderers.