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Again, show a quote where I "defend" bigotry? I did no such thing, rather said that preventing people dying is more important than hurt feelings. Which it is.

Again, show a quote where I "defend" bigotry? I did no such thing, rather said that preventing people dying is more important than hurt feelings. Which it is. Here in Canada Ukrainians have been attacked by Russian supporters; a Ukrainian priest and his family's home was set on fire. There's pro-Putin demonstrations in Germany. There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad yet you are taking up that cause like it's more important than the genocide against Ukrainians itself.

philwelch 5y ago
> There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad This is simply untrue: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandalized https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz... https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-church-may-be-hate-crime-victoria-police-1.5806189 https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur... https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists-shows-are-canceled-even-though-he-condemns-the-war-in-ukraine https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists... Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d be right, in exactly the same sense that the indiscriminate internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians was not equivalent to the atrocities carried out by the Japanese military. My point here is that one still does not justify the other.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  A door being splashed with red paint isn't even close to the same level as a priest and his family being intentionally (almost) burned alive...[1] Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point... [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-arson-ukrainian-priest-1.6426941 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...
  - philwelch 5y ago
    I don't support genocide because I don't support indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality. I've said that repeatedly. I also don't support what the Russian military is doing in Ukraine, and I think every legitimate Russian military target should be obliterated without mercy. Why isn't that enough for you? Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war?
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      > I've said that repeatedly. You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it. > Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war? Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.
      - philwelch 5y ago
        > You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you. > Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don't even understand what I'm saying to you. If someone replied to me arguing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified, I would argue with them. Instead, I got you and that Finnish guy both arguing that indiscriminate hatred of Russian people is justified. > Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves. You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion, which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?

philwelch 5y ago

> There hasn't been any bigotry or violence directed towards Russians abroad This is simply untrue: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandalized https://www.fox5dc.com/news/russia-house-restaurant-vandaliz... https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-church-may-be-hate-crime-victoria-police-1.5806189 https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/vandalism-at-russian-chur... https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists-shows-are-canceled-even-though-he-condemns-the-war-in-ukraine https://www.npr.org/2022/03/12/1086282867/a-russian-pianists... Perhaps you are going to respond that none of this is equivalent to the atrocities committed by the Russian military. And you’d be right, in exactly the same sense that the indiscriminate internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians was not equivalent to the atrocities carried out by the Japanese military. My point here is that one still does not justify the other.

Mikeb85 5y ago
A door being splashed with red paint isn't even close to the same level as a priest and his family being intentionally (almost) burned alive...[1] Are you fucking serious? Just admit you support genocide at this point... [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-arson-ukrainian-priest-1.6426941 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/victoria-ars...
- philwelch 5y ago
  I don't support genocide because I don't support indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality. I've said that repeatedly. I also don't support what the Russian military is doing in Ukraine, and I think every legitimate Russian military target should be obliterated without mercy. Why isn't that enough for you? Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war?
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    > I've said that repeatedly. You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. Thanks for finally saying it. > Why does it trigger you so much for me to point out that some people are, in fact, irrationally bigoted towards Russian people even when they have nothing to do with this war? Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves.
    - philwelch 5y ago
      > You haven't, this is the first time I've seen. You haven't seen me say that I oppose indiscriminate hatred and retribution towards people on the basis of their nationality? I've repeated that in almost every single reply I've made to you. > Because it's obvious you have more sympathy for hurt feelings than people who are actually being killed. Don't pretend you know where my sympathies lie, especially when you don't even understand what I'm saying to you. If someone replied to me arguing that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified, I would argue with them. Instead, I got you and that Finnish guy both arguing that indiscriminate hatred of Russian people is justified. > Funny enough, the Russian people I do know who are truly decent people aren't upset about anti-Russian feelings, they're truly sympathetic for the Ukrainian people, without having to try put the attention on themselves. You said earlier that Russian people are "silent or tacitly supporting" the invasion, which justifies indiscriminate hatred towards Russian people. Which is it?