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Honest question to you and anyone reading: Is Trump a non-extremist?

by 1270018080 5y ago

garbagetime 5y ago
Another question: Is extremism inherently wrong?
- bastardoperator 5y ago
  If you have to ask the question you already know the answer...
  - garbagetime 5y ago
    I don't see the logic there, but in case it adds to the conversation, I will say that I think that it is fairly clear that extremism is not inherently a bad thing, unless it is defined as such (rather than literally) - in which case I think the word would lose most of its utility in conversations like this.
    - rosmax_1337 5y ago
      I find "extremism" to be used as a pejorative that is better interpreted as "non-mainstream" nowadays. Most people labeled as extremist are simply just that, not mainstream. Infact it is quite cynical of those within the mainstream to use this pejorative, since it by sleight of hand assosciates any ideas that the mainstream does not hold with what most others see as "violent extremists, wearing white robes and/or bombing subway stations".
- TMWNN 5y ago
  >I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! —Barry Goldwater, 1964
ProjectArcturis 5y ago
He attempted a coup. I think that qualifies him as an extremist.
- EricE 5y ago
  Really? When/Where did he attempt this “coup”? If anything, as time goes on it’s becoming more obvious there was a continual coup against him, including direct collusion by the opposition political party with foreign governments and actors to try to prevent his election. Confession through projection.
  - ProjectArcturis 5y ago
    Wow. You've really gone down the rabbit hole.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > When/Where did he attempt this “coup”? The autocoup was basically attempted between election day 2020 and the end of his lawful term in office, though some preparatory groundwork was done before, and quite a lot of residual activity continued after (mostly, it seems, around preventing accountability rather than continuing the initial coup attempt). Jan. 6, 2021 was key crisis point in the attempt (and often conflated with the attempt rather than being viewed as part of a larger whole.)

Honest question to you and anyone reading: Is Trump a non-extremist?

garbagetime 5y ago

Another question: Is extremism inherently wrong?

bastardoperator 5y ago
If you have to ask the question you already know the answer...
- garbagetime 5y ago
  I don't see the logic there, but in case it adds to the conversation, I will say that I think that it is fairly clear that extremism is not inherently a bad thing, unless it is defined as such (rather than literally) - in which case I think the word would lose most of its utility in conversations like this.
  - rosmax_1337 5y ago
    I find "extremism" to be used as a pejorative that is better interpreted as "non-mainstream" nowadays. Most people labeled as extremist are simply just that, not mainstream. Infact it is quite cynical of those within the mainstream to use this pejorative, since it by sleight of hand assosciates any ideas that the mainstream does not hold with what most others see as "violent extremists, wearing white robes and/or bombing subway stations".
TMWNN 5y ago
>I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! —Barry Goldwater, 1964

ProjectArcturis 5y ago

He attempted a coup. I think that qualifies him as an extremist.

EricE 5y ago
Really? When/Where did he attempt this “coup”? If anything, as time goes on it’s becoming more obvious there was a continual coup against him, including direct collusion by the opposition political party with foreign governments and actors to try to prevent his election. Confession through projection.
- ProjectArcturis 5y ago
  Wow. You've really gone down the rabbit hole.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > When/Where did he attempt this “coup”? The autocoup was basically attempted between election day 2020 and the end of his lawful term in office, though some preparatory groundwork was done before, and quite a lot of residual activity continued after (mostly, it seems, around preventing accountability rather than continuing the initial coup attempt). Jan. 6, 2021 was key crisis point in the attempt (and often conflated with the attempt rather than being viewed as part of a larger whole.)