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1. people can say whatever they want 2. no abusive comments Content moderation is difficult.

by dento 4y ago

anthropodie 4y ago
Not if you make Twitter federated and let people host their own instance. For example, let Stephen Fry host his own Twitter server and he will choose what is allowed and what is not. This Twitter will integrate with other Twitter servers over ActivityPub. Something like Mastodon. It's not going to happen because this model is not going to generate any revenue unless Elon figures out something.
- kevinmchugh 4y ago
  Wil Wheaton had a disastrous experience with Mastodon, much worse than he had with Twitter. He's been made fun of on every Internet platform for 30+ years, and found Mastodon unusable, apparently
- Fordec 4y ago
  > let Stephen Fry host his own server that he has to actively curate I've barely had my coffee, and I've already seen the most "HN living in a bubble" comment of the day.
  - adolph 4y ago
    >> let people host their own instance Totally. Why would anyone self-host when it could be written to a blockchain and be decentralized, tamperproof and censorship resistant? Twit-coin could reward influencers for their certified engagement metrics without knowing their underlying physical identity by maintaining value flows virtually. Brave browser is 80% there already.
    - anthropodie 4y ago
      Glad this blockchain/crypto thing did not exist over a decade ago. Otherwise we would never have something as cool as BitTorrent. There are so many people who neither understand decentralisation properly nor crypto but wanna somehow become part of conversation so they link the two and derail the conversation.
      - hkt 4y ago
        Amen. But.. Bittorrent is actually about 20 years old. Maybe getting on for 25.
    - rcoder 4y ago
      I literally can’t tell if this is a joke. I’m going to treat it as earnest, because even if you’re trolling this is HN and every mention of cryptocurrency will get _someone_ nodding along in support. Censorship resistance is only meaningful if there are actual people exchanging ideas and building community. Cryptocoin and 100% free speech is a perfect recipe to create an online space even more dominated by trolls, bots, and conspiracy theorists than Twitter is today. Unfortunately, between Musk’s obvious enjoyment of manipulating markets however he can and Dorsey’s increasing focus on dWeb/Web3/“magic crypto sprinkles” I imagine they will run full speed towards more or less exactly the model you describe. “Every tweet is an NFT now! Popular accounts charge Twitcoin to follow them! Advertisers can pay people Twitcoin to follow and retweet!” Etc. Etc.
      - adolph 4y ago
        > I literally can’t tell if this is a joke. Ambiguity is a spice in life. I was thinking the name "twit-coin" would give the game away. > actual people exchanging ideas I enjoy exchanging ideas with ideas and with people. Anyone here may be an actual person or a biological process hosting a meme collection. > conspiracy theorists Are "conspiracy theorists" individuals who theorize about conspiracies or groups of people conspiring to promote a theory? Thanks for bringing up the NFT. I had that in mind to add in but got distracted during composition. Imagine the possibilities of fractional ownership of 144 characters--it would open up a whole new world of ETFs.
    - ryandrake 4y ago
      You forgot “Clients, of course, should be written only in Rust.”
- Traster 4y ago
  Why on earth would Stephen Fry want to spend his time operating and moderating a social media site?
  - anthropodie 4y ago
    No he won't. Make it so easy that his PR could manage his own server instance. That is what originally use to happen when actors still had their own websites and forums.
    - Traster 4y ago
      Ok so he doesn't have to manage it himself, he could employ a team. Great, so how much is Stephen going to be paying to this team to moderate the content of his 12.4 million followers? A dozen people? A hundred maybe? It sounds like an expensive venture.
      - anthropodie 4y ago
        He could just use the tools that come with the service. Tools that could filter out words, phrases that he chooses to omit or he could choose to disable replies altogether. He can also choose who gets to follow him based on certain parameters. I'm pretty sure if better minds than mine chose to solve this problem, they can. BTW the site you are currently on has two moderators.
        evan_ 4y ago
        Why do any of those things require a "federated Twitter"? Hackernews has two moderators and several orders of magnitude fewer users. I would argue that the amount of moderation required increases exponentially with the number of eyeballs.
        Traster 4y ago
        Ok, so once users discover 1990s leetspeak what happens then? Better mind than yours have chosen to solve this problem, they work at facebook and twitter and it's been a disaster! Twitter has been impotent, and facebook have been a public danger. The hard truth of it is that HN just isn't a scalable solution. It ropes in users to self-moderate which results in some really unehealthy issues at scale.
- rco8786 4y ago
  Ok so if you change Twitter entirely to some other thing that others have tried and failed at numerous times then you will....have it both ways? Wat?
- gitgud 4y ago
  So fracture the community into a bunch of moderated instances with varying rules?.... Sounds like reddit
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- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Not if you make Twitter federated and let people host their own instance. For example, let Stephen Fry host his own Twitter server and he will choose what is allowed and what is not. This Twitter will integrate with other Twitter servers over ActivityPub. Something like Mastodon. Moderation is hard work, and making users do their own moderation themselves defeats the purpose from a user perspective (e.g. exposing Fry to toxic comments so he can theoretically moderate them away himself on his own instance is not practically different that giving him an unmoderated platform). > It's not going to happen because this model is not going to generate any revenue unless Elon figures out something. Musk isn't going to figure out anything. If anyone does, it will be someone working for him and he'll get all the credit.
- Bud 4y ago
  Doing this would have zero impact on the bedrock fact that content moderation is difficult. You can't wave that away with a wand and an incantation.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Even if Fry could run his own instance, how the heck is he going to write his own moderation code?
- MrMan 4y ago
  Next week on "command line" with Stephen fry
Overtonwindow 4y ago
I think user content moderation should be enforced. If I do not want to see tweets that contain certain words or phrases, block it. Treat abuse like spam. Block, isolate, and it will go away. If I only want tweets that contain the words “Zaphod Beeblebrox” then that’s all I want to see, and should have that ability.
- LordAtlas 4y ago
  > If I do not want to see tweets that contain certain words or phrases, block it. You can already mute words on Twitter.

1. people can say whatever they want 2. no abusive comments Content moderation is difficult.

by dento 4y ago

1. people can say whatever they want 2. no abusive comments Content moderation is difficult.

Not if you make Twitter federated and let people host their own instance. For example, let Stephen Fry host his own Twitter server and he will choose what is allowed and what is not. This Twitter will integrate with other Twitter servers over ActivityPub. Something like Mastodon. It's not going to happen because this model is not going to generate any revenue unless Elon figures out something.

kevinmchugh 4y ago
Wil Wheaton had a disastrous experience with Mastodon, much worse than he had with Twitter. He's been made fun of on every Internet platform for 30+ years, and found Mastodon unusable, apparently
Fordec 4y ago
> let Stephen Fry host his own server that he has to actively curate I've barely had my coffee, and I've already seen the most "HN living in a bubble" comment of the day.
- adolph 4y ago
  >> let people host their own instance Totally. Why would anyone self-host when it could be written to a blockchain and be decentralized, tamperproof and censorship resistant? Twit-coin could reward influencers for their certified engagement metrics without knowing their underlying physical identity by maintaining value flows virtually. Brave browser is 80% there already.
  - anthropodie 4y ago
    Glad this blockchain/crypto thing did not exist over a decade ago. Otherwise we would never have something as cool as BitTorrent. There are so many people who neither understand decentralisation properly nor crypto but wanna somehow become part of conversation so they link the two and derail the conversation.
    - hkt 4y ago
      Amen. But.. Bittorrent is actually about 20 years old. Maybe getting on for 25.
  - rcoder 4y ago
    I literally can’t tell if this is a joke. I’m going to treat it as earnest, because even if you’re trolling this is HN and every mention of cryptocurrency will get _someone_ nodding along in support. Censorship resistance is only meaningful if there are actual people exchanging ideas and building community. Cryptocoin and 100% free speech is a perfect recipe to create an online space even more dominated by trolls, bots, and conspiracy theorists than Twitter is today. Unfortunately, between Musk’s obvious enjoyment of manipulating markets however he can and Dorsey’s increasing focus on dWeb/Web3/“magic crypto sprinkles” I imagine they will run full speed towards more or less exactly the model you describe. “Every tweet is an NFT now! Popular accounts charge Twitcoin to follow them! Advertisers can pay people Twitcoin to follow and retweet!” Etc. Etc.
    - adolph 4y ago
      > I literally can’t tell if this is a joke. Ambiguity is a spice in life. I was thinking the name "twit-coin" would give the game away. > actual people exchanging ideas I enjoy exchanging ideas with ideas and with people. Anyone here may be an actual person or a biological process hosting a meme collection. > conspiracy theorists Are "conspiracy theorists" individuals who theorize about conspiracies or groups of people conspiring to promote a theory? Thanks for bringing up the NFT. I had that in mind to add in but got distracted during composition. Imagine the possibilities of fractional ownership of 144 characters--it would open up a whole new world of ETFs.
  - ryandrake 4y ago
    You forgot “Clients, of course, should be written only in Rust.”
Traster 4y ago
Why on earth would Stephen Fry want to spend his time operating and moderating a social media site?
- anthropodie 4y ago
  No he won't. Make it so easy that his PR could manage his own server instance. That is what originally use to happen when actors still had their own websites and forums.
  - Traster 4y ago
    Ok so he doesn't have to manage it himself, he could employ a team. Great, so how much is Stephen going to be paying to this team to moderate the content of his 12.4 million followers? A dozen people? A hundred maybe? It sounds like an expensive venture.
    - anthropodie 4y ago
      He could just use the tools that come with the service. Tools that could filter out words, phrases that he chooses to omit or he could choose to disable replies altogether. He can also choose who gets to follow him based on certain parameters. I'm pretty sure if better minds than mine chose to solve this problem, they can. BTW the site you are currently on has two moderators.
      - evan_ 4y ago
        Why do any of those things require a "federated Twitter"? Hackernews has two moderators and several orders of magnitude fewer users. I would argue that the amount of moderation required increases exponentially with the number of eyeballs.
      - Traster 4y ago
        Ok, so once users discover 1990s leetspeak what happens then? Better mind than yours have chosen to solve this problem, they work at facebook and twitter and it's been a disaster! Twitter has been impotent, and facebook have been a public danger. The hard truth of it is that HN just isn't a scalable solution. It ropes in users to self-moderate which results in some really unehealthy issues at scale.
rco8786 4y ago
Ok so if you change Twitter entirely to some other thing that others have tried and failed at numerous times then you will....have it both ways? Wat?
gitgud 4y ago
So fracture the community into a bunch of moderated instances with varying rules?.... Sounds like reddit
- deleted 4y ago
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tablespoon 4y ago
> Not if you make Twitter federated and let people host their own instance. For example, let Stephen Fry host his own Twitter server and he will choose what is allowed and what is not. This Twitter will integrate with other Twitter servers over ActivityPub. Something like Mastodon. Moderation is hard work, and making users do their own moderation themselves defeats the purpose from a user perspective (e.g. exposing Fry to toxic comments so he can theoretically moderate them away himself on his own instance is not practically different that giving him an unmoderated platform). > It's not going to happen because this model is not going to generate any revenue unless Elon figures out something. Musk isn't going to figure out anything. If anyone does, it will be someone working for him and he'll get all the credit.
Bud 4y ago
Doing this would have zero impact on the bedrock fact that content moderation is difficult. You can't wave that away with a wand and an incantation.
UncleMeat 4y ago
Even if Fry could run his own instance, how the heck is he going to write his own moderation code?
MrMan 4y ago
Next week on "command line" with Stephen fry

Overtonwindow 4y ago

I think user content moderation should be enforced. If I do not want to see tweets that contain certain words or phrases, block it. Treat abuse like spam. Block, isolate, and it will go away. If I only want tweets that contain the words “Zaphod Beeblebrox” then that’s all I want to see, and should have that ability.

LordAtlas 4y ago
> If I do not want to see tweets that contain certain words or phrases, block it. You can already mute words on Twitter.