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Ugh. This whole thing is exhausting because everything is so oversimplified (as is any conversation on the topic) and there isn’t a right answer. You can’t com
by salmo 4y ago
Ugh. This whole thing is exhausting because everything is so oversimplified (as is any conversation on the topic) and there isn’t a right answer.
You can’t compare the architecture of VSCode, vim, emacs, VS, IntelliJ, etc. and come to any conclusion.
They are completely different tools, built at different times, with different goals, by different (dis)organizations.
Emacs was a bunch of primitives that were wrapped in Lisp, and you could do anything. It was a day 1 goal. Ignoring the things that evolved to become normal in the Lisp on top is weird. It was extensible by design and completely open ended, with packages evolving to being part of the expected toolchain.
Vim took vi and bolted on some scripting interface that kept being pushed, adding extensibility by demand.
Now we have neovim embedding lua which is more emacs-like, and driving vim features as well. But it got to add higher level “primitives” because it’s a new implementation.
IDEs like VS, Borland X, Sun Studio, etc. were purpose built tools for a specific toolchain package. Only after the fall of traditional IDE/RAD environments did VS start trying to be an everything IDE.
Eclipse and Netbeans started as Java IDEs in Java, were all focused on architecture, and enabled plugins. People started making plugins to support all the languages (and then totally break the IDE by installing the wrong combo). As eclipse, well eclipsed, NetBeans you started seeing Eclipse “distros” of canned plug-in combos to not implode. I know folks with an eclipse install per codebase they work on.
IntelliJ got the architecture part from Eclipse, but stayed very hand curated like the old RADs and IDEs. You can install all the things in IntelliJ Ultimate or buy the more focused language specific ones (PyCharm, CLion, etc). The plugins are less flaky because they’re predominantly 1st party. The language specific ones make each toolchain ergonomic like a traditional IDE.
VSCode got the benefit of being the newest. Strip down below an “IDE” but above a text editor exposing primitives. Use web tech so the kids can make stuff because Java isn’t the lingua franca it once was. It could look back for a better sweet spot.
So whatever. Use what you find productive and comfortable.
I wander between probably 10 languages. I tend to have an editor and terminal side by side. It’s comfortable for me. I prefer the editor+ experience more than the integrated IDE one. I also am generally mouse-adverse. But that’s me and I’m not “right.”
I like my neovim acting like VSCode more than VSCode acting like vim. But it’s because it matches what my hands do already. When I do !!fmt or whatever and it doesn’t work, it takes me out of my flow. And when editing remotely, I still get vi/vim just without bells and whistles so my hands still work. Many just never have that use case.
That comes at a cost of maintaining a crazy config for me vs clicking for plugins. It used to be 10-15 vim plugins. Now it’s more LSP + a few. But I revision control it and revisit every 6 months or so. That trade off’s worth it to me, maybe not to you.
Some folks still love their full IDEs with tighter integration with a toolchain and language-specific features ergonomically placed. They likely use Java/C#/C++ and have to dabble in html+js at times.
Use and make what you want. Make an LSP or don’t. Integrate them into something or don’t. All of the experiences described in the article still exist. No one has to use any of them. Follow your heart (or I guess your hands). Saying one is best is like saying some kind of shoes are best for everyone. They’re tools, but ones we live in. Wear what’s comfortable.
In the words of a song by Sheryl Crow that I don’t particularly like “If it makes you happy, then why the hell are you so sad?”