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He is worried about climate change and promotes bitcoin. He says Netflix is woke without any citations but just had two kids with Grimes. Elon is about making

by dd36 4y ago

He is worried about climate change and promotes bitcoin. He says Netflix is woke without any citations but just had two kids with Grimes. Elon is about making money and good at building support. I don’t mind him buying Twitter per se but I do believe it will distract from his noble pursuits. The former Reddit CEO’s thread nailed it.

Avicebron 4y ago
what does the grimes thing have to do with Netflix? I might just be out of the loop
- dd36 4y ago
  He said Netflix lost subscribers because it was producing woke content. It doesn’t make any sense on its face other than as a way to con certain ideologies. I have Netflix and I consume Black Mirror, Stranger Things, Squid Game, Bojack, etc. Calling Netflix woke is pure virtue signaling. Maybe he’s planning to run for President?
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  - jrochkind1 4y ago
    OK, how are the children he had with Grimes related?
    - dd36 4y ago
      He was with Grimes for years. If woke was a turn off for him, would he have been with Grimes for years let alone had children with her? I think it’s either that he’s upset with Grimes for leaving him and is being anti-woke in response OR he’s up to something else that’s yet to be revealed. I don’t think this virtue signaling matters to getting state legislatures to allow direct Tesla sales. Maybe it does in his mind?
      - robonerd 4y ago
        Not everybody expects their partner to share their political beliefs. There is a reason we let married men and women vote independently for themselves.
        dd36 4y ago
        Absolutely. What's more likely? Elon is putting on a show to accomplish some goal or Elon hates what Grimes stands for?
        robonerd 4y ago
        Only he knows what he really believes. My point is merely that somebody can disagree with their spouse's politics without hating them for it.
        dd36 4y ago
        I agree with your point. I also don’t think Elon is as anti-woke as he appears to many to be.
        saurik 4y ago
        (Maybe-also? <- Just adding stuff, but am unsure if we agree or not as we are both just adding stuff I think ;P.) FWIW, 1) it was never clear that Grimes actually truly "stands for" anything, and 2) she did leave him, so clearly something didn't work out ;P. https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2021/10/03/following-her-split-with-billionaire-elon-musk-grimes-poses-with-the-communist-manifesto/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2021/10/03/follow...
        dd36 4y ago
        Yeah, so it could be a response to her leaving him. She may have left him because of it. I imagine Elon isn't the easiest of romantic/parenting partners given his work ethic.
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  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    > Maybe he’s planning to run for President? That would be incredibly ambitious; getting 40 states to agree to that seems exceedingly unlikely.
    - mschuster91 4y ago
      People thought the same about the 45th, and yet the world was forced to endure these full four disastrous years. I don't like to take chances in politics these days...
      - robonerd 4y ago
        I don't recall '45' getting any amendments to the constitution through.
      - UncleMeat 4y ago
        Musk can't be president without a constitutional amendment.
        mschuster91 4y ago
        Yeah, and so what? We thought Trump becoming President was "exceedingly unlikely", too - and then it happened anyway, thanks to a bunch of Russian propaganda and a literal ton of dark money. Who says that the richest man on the planet can't set up a lobbying/propaganda operation to secure him a shot at Presidency too? Especially a man who has a lot of very vocal, very dedicated fans all over the US? Have them e-mail and call bomb enough representatives and he'll get his will.
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        The bar for trump to become president is a lot lower than the bar for an amendment.
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  - Zenbit_UX 4y ago
    > It doesn’t make any sense on its face other than as a way to con certain ideologies. Meh, Netflix does produce a lot of low-effort woke content: Sense8 and the one where they stopped a school shooting through interpretive dance comes to mind. I'd love to watch more high budget series where diversity is achieved without it being shoved in your face (all female Ghostbusters / all female oceans). They come across as pandering to their audiences instead of progressing societal views elegantly - hence why people say Netflix produces woke content and loses subscribers. The goal should be subtlety and not wokeness. So far the only show (of Netflix) I've seen that hit these tones was Altered Carbon and it was aided a lot by the fact that it's set in a futuristic society where bodies are viewed as disposable sleeves.
res0nat0r 4y ago
Exactly. This is just a money making opportunity for him, and possibly to start letting rightwing content easily flourish again online which will benefit him in the long run. He's not a free speech fan for things he doesn't like. > When Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...
- skrbjc 4y ago
  Unless you take it as a premise that right wing content is bad, then what is wrong with letting it flourish just as much as left wing content? Depending on where you stand, either will be bad to you and should be stopped. If you are building a company that moderates content, then you have to choose to be neutral, left leaning, or right leaning. Twitter started as neutral, arguably started to lean left, and under Musk many assume will start leaning right, or at least move more back towards neutral. We will have to wait and see. IIRC when conservatives were complaining that twitter was reducing their reach, the refrain from the left was that twitter is a private company and can do what it wants. With Musk taking it over and taking it private, it is an even more private company, and if it becomes less obviously supportive of left-leaning thought and more tolerant of right-leaning thought, then the same argument applies, its a private company and it can do what it wants. Maybe this will be the opportunity for a twitter competitor to pop up and vacuum up all of the disgruntled left. It would be interesting to see how an explicitly left-wing version of twitter would faire compared to the right-wing versions that have not been able to land.
  - dd36 4y ago
    There’s plenty of right-wing content on Twitter. Trump wasn’t even banned until his coup attempt. AFAIK, you can lie on Twitter until it causes real world danger.
  - res0nat0r 4y ago
    > IIRC when conservatives were complaining that twitter was reducing their reach Conservatives were only getting their reach reduced because they were being banned for posting racist content. Them screaming "shadowbanning" isn't a real thing. There have been reports that US GOP politicians have been exempted from the algorithmic moderation because too many of their accounts are posting content indistinguishable from white supremest talking points such that they would get banned too. https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-trea... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-...
xdennis 4y ago
> He says Netflix is woke without any citations People don't do citations in casual conversations. Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad.
- dd36 4y ago
  Nobody that defended him could even cite something. Somebody mentioned a show about teenage girls from a few years ago is all. But why would that affect subscriber counts in Q122? Netflix produces a lot of content. I would venture a guess that 99% of it isn't woke or anti-woke.
- philosopher1234 4y ago
  >Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad. I thought conservatives preferred facts to feelings? This doesn't seem to be an opinion based on facts.
- jasonshaev 4y ago
  "Everyone agrees that netflix is woke..." Do they? I don't. Mainly because I don't even know what that phrase means anymore. Any meaning the word "woke" HAD has been thoroughly lost as it has now become a stand-in word for any position some conservatives don't like.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  > Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad. This is factually wrong. I never even knew that there was a conversation about wokeness and Netflix. And I still don't understand why. Netflix just streams videos? Is this about the content they make/license or about their corporate/employee culture? People who are pro/anti wokeness I think spend a lot more time thinking about this stuff than everyone else does.
  - exdsq 4y ago
    > Netflix just streams videos They make a lot of content too
simondotau 4y ago
> He is worried about climate change and promotes bitcoin. It is misleading to state this in present tense. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203

by dd36 4y ago

Avicebron 4y ago

what does the grimes thing have to do with Netflix? I might just be out of the loop

dd36 4y ago
He said Netflix lost subscribers because it was producing woke content. It doesn’t make any sense on its face other than as a way to con certain ideologies. I have Netflix and I consume Black Mirror, Stranger Things, Squid Game, Bojack, etc. Calling Netflix woke is pure virtue signaling. Maybe he’s planning to run for President?
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- jrochkind1 4y ago
  OK, how are the children he had with Grimes related?
  - dd36 4y ago
    He was with Grimes for years. If woke was a turn off for him, would he have been with Grimes for years let alone had children with her? I think it’s either that he’s upset with Grimes for leaving him and is being anti-woke in response OR he’s up to something else that’s yet to be revealed. I don’t think this virtue signaling matters to getting state legislatures to allow direct Tesla sales. Maybe it does in his mind?
    - robonerd 4y ago
      Not everybody expects their partner to share their political beliefs. There is a reason we let married men and women vote independently for themselves.
      - dd36 4y ago
        Absolutely. What's more likely? Elon is putting on a show to accomplish some goal or Elon hates what Grimes stands for?
        robonerd 4y ago
        Only he knows what he really believes. My point is merely that somebody can disagree with their spouse's politics without hating them for it.
        dd36 4y ago
        I agree with your point. I also don’t think Elon is as anti-woke as he appears to many to be.
        saurik 4y ago
        (Maybe-also? <- Just adding stuff, but am unsure if we agree or not as we are both just adding stuff I think ;P.) FWIW, 1) it was never clear that Grimes actually truly "stands for" anything, and 2) she did leave him, so clearly something didn't work out ;P. https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2021/10/03/following-her-split-with-billionaire-elon-musk-grimes-poses-with-the-communist-manifesto/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2021/10/03/follow...
        dd36 4y ago
        Yeah, so it could be a response to her leaving him. She may have left him because of it. I imagine Elon isn't the easiest of romantic/parenting partners given his work ethic.
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- rootusrootus 4y ago
  > Maybe he’s planning to run for President? That would be incredibly ambitious; getting 40 states to agree to that seems exceedingly unlikely.
  - mschuster91 4y ago
    People thought the same about the 45th, and yet the world was forced to endure these full four disastrous years. I don't like to take chances in politics these days...
    - robonerd 4y ago
      I don't recall '45' getting any amendments to the constitution through.
    - UncleMeat 4y ago
      Musk can't be president without a constitutional amendment.
      - mschuster91 4y ago
        Yeah, and so what? We thought Trump becoming President was "exceedingly unlikely", too - and then it happened anyway, thanks to a bunch of Russian propaganda and a literal ton of dark money. Who says that the richest man on the planet can't set up a lobbying/propaganda operation to secure him a shot at Presidency too? Especially a man who has a lot of very vocal, very dedicated fans all over the US? Have them e-mail and call bomb enough representatives and he'll get his will.
        UncleMeat 4y ago
        The bar for trump to become president is a lot lower than the bar for an amendment.
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- Zenbit_UX 4y ago
  > It doesn’t make any sense on its face other than as a way to con certain ideologies. Meh, Netflix does produce a lot of low-effort woke content: Sense8 and the one where they stopped a school shooting through interpretive dance comes to mind. I'd love to watch more high budget series where diversity is achieved without it being shoved in your face (all female Ghostbusters / all female oceans). They come across as pandering to their audiences instead of progressing societal views elegantly - hence why people say Netflix produces woke content and loses subscribers. The goal should be subtlety and not wokeness. So far the only show (of Netflix) I've seen that hit these tones was Altered Carbon and it was aided a lot by the fact that it's set in a futuristic society where bodies are viewed as disposable sleeves.

res0nat0r 4y ago

Exactly. This is just a money making opportunity for him, and possibly to start letting rightwing content easily flourish again online which will benefit him in the long run. He's not a free speech fan for things he doesn't like. > When Elon Musk Tried to Destroy a Tesla Whistleblower https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon-musk-tried-to-destroy-tesla-whistleblower-martin-tripp https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-03-13/when-elon...

skrbjc 4y ago
Unless you take it as a premise that right wing content is bad, then what is wrong with letting it flourish just as much as left wing content? Depending on where you stand, either will be bad to you and should be stopped. If you are building a company that moderates content, then you have to choose to be neutral, left leaning, or right leaning. Twitter started as neutral, arguably started to lean left, and under Musk many assume will start leaning right, or at least move more back towards neutral. We will have to wait and see. IIRC when conservatives were complaining that twitter was reducing their reach, the refrain from the left was that twitter is a private company and can do what it wants. With Musk taking it over and taking it private, it is an even more private company, and if it becomes less obviously supportive of left-leaning thought and more tolerant of right-leaning thought, then the same argument applies, its a private company and it can do what it wants. Maybe this will be the opportunity for a twitter competitor to pop up and vacuum up all of the disgruntled left. It would be interesting to see how an explicitly left-wing version of twitter would faire compared to the right-wing versions that have not been able to land.
- dd36 4y ago
  There’s plenty of right-wing content on Twitter. Trump wasn’t even banned until his coup attempt. AFAIK, you can lie on Twitter until it causes real world danger.
- res0nat0r 4y ago
  > IIRC when conservatives were complaining that twitter was reducing their reach Conservatives were only getting their reach reduced because they were being banned for posting racist content. Them screaming "shadowbanning" isn't a real thing. There have been reports that US GOP politicians have been exempted from the algorithmic moderation because too many of their accounts are posting content indistinguishable from white supremest talking points such that they would get banned too. https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-treat-white-supremacy-like-isis-because-it-would-mean-banning-some-republican-politicians-too https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3xgq5/why-wont-twitter-trea... https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-white-supremacy-gop-politicians-report-2019-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/twitter-algorithm-crackdown-...

xdennis 4y ago

> He says Netflix is woke without any citations People don't do citations in casual conversations. Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad.

dd36 4y ago
Nobody that defended him could even cite something. Somebody mentioned a show about teenage girls from a few years ago is all. But why would that affect subscriber counts in Q122? Netflix produces a lot of content. I would venture a guess that 99% of it isn't woke or anti-woke.
philosopher1234 4y ago
>Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad. I thought conservatives preferred facts to feelings? This doesn't seem to be an opinion based on facts.
jasonshaev 4y ago
"Everyone agrees that netflix is woke..." Do they? I don't. Mainly because I don't even know what that phrase means anymore. Any meaning the word "woke" HAD has been thoroughly lost as it has now become a stand-in word for any position some conservatives don't like.
kenjackson 4y ago
> Everyone agrees that Netflix is woke, the disagreement is weather wokeness is good or bad. This is factually wrong. I never even knew that there was a conversation about wokeness and Netflix. And I still don't understand why. Netflix just streams videos? Is this about the content they make/license or about their corporate/employee culture? People who are pro/anti wokeness I think spend a lot more time thinking about this stuff than everyone else does.
- exdsq 4y ago
  > Netflix just streams videos They make a lot of content too

simondotau 4y ago

> He is worried about climate change and promotes bitcoin. It is misleading to state this in present tense. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203