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>I wish him the best and hope he truly makes twitter somewhere that you visit that isn't just rage bait again. You think "Lord Edge" is going to make Twitter l

>I wish him the best and hope he truly makes twitter somewhere that you visit that isn't just rage bait again. You think "Lord Edge" is going to make Twitter less of a cesspool? Everything he's said and done indicates he wants the limits Twitter currently has on speech to be removed.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> he wants the limits Twitter currently has on speech to be removed Sounds amazing. Maybe then we'll finally have a truly neutral platform with no censorship of any kind.
- metamet 5y ago
  Amazing? It would be immediately inundated with hateful content, driven by bots more than it already is. This utopian "free speech" bastion never works out on the internet and always devolves into congregations of hate groups, which normalize themselves and spread. Look at 4ch => 8ch => Brennan's postmortem on the experiment. Plus there will always be a level of moderation. No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn. This has already happened countless times on other platforms. It simply will never work.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    > always devolves in to congregations of hate groups, which normalize themselves and spread Nope. These places are full of all kinds of people. There's just a wider spectrum. You'll see the best and worst of humanity. > No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn. That's obviously not allowed anywhere, not even on chans.
glogla 5y ago
- ericmay 5y ago
  This is an emotionally charged topic, apparently, but I just do not see any reason to believe that if Elon Musk takes Twitter private that they will start banning unions, journalists, and forcing people who are trans to come out. No evidence of that. W.r.t removing current limits, again I see no evidence of that, except maybe people who were banned for making fun of journalists for telling them the same thing they were telling other people (learn 2 code) might get reinstated. Death threats? No chance. Blatant racism? Nope. Harassment? Well does that happen already? It's not clear. Sexism? Again no clear lines here. Trump I hope never comes back and it may stay that way. I don't think Elon really cares about Trump.
- mostertoaster 5y ago
  It seems like your emotions are all wrapped up in this, and you’re not thinking clearly. Why would he force trans people out? Elon doesn’t seem like some religious conservative or anything. This reminds me of how the media and folks fed and ate the narrative that Jordan Peterson is a kind of terrible human who hates trans people.
  - davidbarker 5y ago
    > A guest on Joe Rogan’s podcast has claimed that being transgender is a “contagion” similar to “satanic ritual abuse.” > Mr Peterson told him that being trans was a “sociological contagion” which he compared to “the satanic ritual abuse accusations that emerged in daycares in the 1980s.” https://web.archive.org/web/20220206173028/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rogan-podcast-peterson-trans-contagion-b2001612.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220206173028/https://www.indep...
    - ericmay 5y ago
      Sorry, but could you help me connect the dots here. How would a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast be relevant here? You know that both Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are on Twitter now right? Are they forcing trans people to come out as trans? Are you suggesting that if Elon Musk takes Twitter private, that guests on Joe Rogan's podcast will be free to be on Twitter and then make trans people come out as trans? I'm really confused here. Joe Rogan has had other guests like Sanjay Gupta and Bernie Sanders on as well. Would their comments be further amplified on Twitter (or whatever you are envisioning here) as well via a similar indirect link to Elon Musk?
ballenf 5y ago
The irony is that it was much less a cesspool back when it had virtually no limits on speech. Reducing speech limits won't reverse the clock, but it does make me think that speech limits and cesspool-ness are largely independent of each other.
- Kapura 5y ago
  It was less of a cesspool because it was significantly smaller. This is a well-understood feature of online communities: scale changes them, and not for the better.
- IgorPartola 5y ago
  It was also much smaller and news agencies used it a lot less as a source of news.
  - StevePerkins 5y ago
    Eternal September rolls onward. People love to ponder how to improve social networking, and what the best model might be. The truth is that the best forum is simply the new one that the masses haven't caught onto yet.
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- jrochkind1 5y ago
  Well, the obvious/naive connection/correlation would be that the increased limits were a response to it becoming a "cess pool". And haven't totally succeeded at reversing that, but may or may not have kept it from being even worse than it would have been without them.
- cedilla 5y ago
  It's not completely independent - after Reddit started banning subreddits like "Fat People Hate" and anti-trans hategroups, the amount of hate posts decreased on the whole platform, even in completely unrelated groups. This might point to a perception of decreased tolerance of such posts, or be simply a function of the banned subreddits being used to coordinate attacks. Either way, reddit is unlike twitter and more like a network of networks, so the same result might not occur there.
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matheusmoreira 5y ago

> he wants the limits Twitter currently has on speech to be removed Sounds amazing. Maybe then we'll finally have a truly neutral platform with no censorship of any kind.

metamet 5y ago
Amazing? It would be immediately inundated with hateful content, driven by bots more than it already is. This utopian "free speech" bastion never works out on the internet and always devolves into congregations of hate groups, which normalize themselves and spread. Look at 4ch => 8ch => Brennan's postmortem on the experiment. Plus there will always be a level of moderation. No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn. This has already happened countless times on other platforms. It simply will never work.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > always devolves in to congregations of hate groups, which normalize themselves and spread Nope. These places are full of all kinds of people. There's just a wider spectrum. You'll see the best and worst of humanity. > No censorship of any kind would immediately become overrun with child porn. That's obviously not allowed anywhere, not even on chans.

glogla 5y ago

ericmay 5y ago
This is an emotionally charged topic, apparently, but I just do not see any reason to believe that if Elon Musk takes Twitter private that they will start banning unions, journalists, and forcing people who are trans to come out. No evidence of that. W.r.t removing current limits, again I see no evidence of that, except maybe people who were banned for making fun of journalists for telling them the same thing they were telling other people (learn 2 code) might get reinstated. Death threats? No chance. Blatant racism? Nope. Harassment? Well does that happen already? It's not clear. Sexism? Again no clear lines here. Trump I hope never comes back and it may stay that way. I don't think Elon really cares about Trump.
mostertoaster 5y ago
It seems like your emotions are all wrapped up in this, and you’re not thinking clearly. Why would he force trans people out? Elon doesn’t seem like some religious conservative or anything. This reminds me of how the media and folks fed and ate the narrative that Jordan Peterson is a kind of terrible human who hates trans people.
- davidbarker 5y ago
  > A guest on Joe Rogan’s podcast has claimed that being transgender is a “contagion” similar to “satanic ritual abuse.” > Mr Peterson told him that being trans was a “sociological contagion” which he compared to “the satanic ritual abuse accusations that emerged in daycares in the 1980s.” https://web.archive.org/web/20220206173028/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rogan-podcast-peterson-trans-contagion-b2001612.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220206173028/https://www.indep...
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Sorry, but could you help me connect the dots here. How would a guest on Joe Rogan's podcast be relevant here? You know that both Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson are on Twitter now right? Are they forcing trans people to come out as trans? Are you suggesting that if Elon Musk takes Twitter private, that guests on Joe Rogan's podcast will be free to be on Twitter and then make trans people come out as trans? I'm really confused here. Joe Rogan has had other guests like Sanjay Gupta and Bernie Sanders on as well. Would their comments be further amplified on Twitter (or whatever you are envisioning here) as well via a similar indirect link to Elon Musk?

ballenf 5y ago

The irony is that it was much less a cesspool back when it had virtually no limits on speech. Reducing speech limits won't reverse the clock, but it does make me think that speech limits and cesspool-ness are largely independent of each other.

Kapura 5y ago
It was less of a cesspool because it was significantly smaller. This is a well-understood feature of online communities: scale changes them, and not for the better.
IgorPartola 5y ago
It was also much smaller and news agencies used it a lot less as a source of news.
- StevePerkins 5y ago
  Eternal September rolls onward. People love to ponder how to improve social networking, and what the best model might be. The truth is that the best forum is simply the new one that the masses haven't caught onto yet.
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jrochkind1 5y ago
Well, the obvious/naive connection/correlation would be that the increased limits were a response to it becoming a "cess pool". And haven't totally succeeded at reversing that, but may or may not have kept it from being even worse than it would have been without them.
cedilla 5y ago
It's not completely independent - after Reddit started banning subreddits like "Fat People Hate" and anti-trans hategroups, the amount of hate posts decreased on the whole platform, even in completely unrelated groups. This might point to a perception of decreased tolerance of such posts, or be simply a function of the banned subreddits being used to coordinate attacks. Either way, reddit is unlike twitter and more like a network of networks, so the same result might not occur there.

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