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Yishans take on it was fascinating. For anyone else, I highly recommend reading it: https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=21&t=uIEgO4Gmdmtq4Pdq

by V__ 5y ago

Yishans take on it was fascinating. For anyone else, I highly recommend reading it: https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=21&t=uIEgO4Gmdmtq4PdqJk1HRA https://nitter.net/yishan/status/1514938507407421440?s=21&t=...

objektif 5y ago
Which part was fascinating? The part he says social media platforms do not care about politics? That is a load of bull crap. They do care and they have a preference. Not because of their political beliefs but because of money.
- jchw 5y ago
  No, they really don’t care. The difference is that if they did care, they’d care about where the money came from. They do not. That does mean that it’s biased to what advertisers think is OK, but it’s always going to be biased. It’s just not really a bias based on a deep agenda or underlying conspiracy. I actually believe that. There may be some controversy but nobody has really demonstrated much consistent bias, less anything more sinister.
talove 5y ago
Here's the REAL twitter link to that take: https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440#m https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440#m
FourthProtocol 5y ago
The caveat, I think, is that what he describes is quintessentially American. I'm pretty well travelled and have only seen such overt and absolute polarisation in the US. I'm sure there are others but I haven't seen it in Europe, Africa or the far East. It's quite the source of amusement in my circles. I say this knowing Elon is (was?) South African.
galangalalgol 5y ago
That is a good read, but being a child of the old internet, I agree with his axioms but disagree with his conclusions. I would rather Elon let these so called dangerous ideas fester into bad behavior, letting twitter turn into 4chan, where every day someone successfully advocates for hatred and arguably causes multiple deaths, than see a single 140 character post censored. You can call that naive, but the reality is that many of us have aeen speech turn into physical violence, and still prefer that to nervously polite dialog that avoids ideas that are likely true but might make someone act poorly.
- V__ 5y ago
  I agree with you in principle, but 4chan doesn't have the reach Twitter has, as soon as those platforms start having a wide enough reach, they are dangerous. I mean, Facebook was used to incite genocide and Twitter nearly toppled but damaged a democracy. Maybe the solution is to prevent social networks to gain too big of a reach.
  - galangalalgol 5y ago
    If the landscape was more granular people would be cross posting stuff and using aggregation services. That was already the case to some extent. I think the answer is to let people be people and watch it all burn. Maybe someday some future society will learn from the mistakes we are making. But I don't think those mistakes include failing to protect ourselves from being exposed to inflammatory ideas. That sort of track record just gives conspiracy theorists more credibility.
ui4jd73bdj 5y ago
What a horrible take that censoring civil truthful factbased discussion is ok because some nutjob might draw wrong conclusions.
- V__ 5y ago
  > civil truthful factbased discussion I'm not sure you can call what's going on on Twitter any of these words, at least on any even slightly polarizing topics.

by V__ 5y ago

objektif 5y ago

Which part was fascinating? The part he says social media platforms do not care about politics? That is a load of bull crap. They do care and they have a preference. Not because of their political beliefs but because of money.

jchw 5y ago
No, they really don’t care. The difference is that if they did care, they’d care about where the money came from. They do not. That does mean that it’s biased to what advertisers think is OK, but it’s always going to be biased. It’s just not really a bias based on a deep agenda or underlying conspiracy. I actually believe that. There may be some controversy but nobody has really demonstrated much consistent bias, less anything more sinister.

talove 5y ago

Here's the REAL twitter link to that take: https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440#m https://twitter.com/yishan/status/1514938507407421440#m

FourthProtocol 5y ago

The caveat, I think, is that what he describes is quintessentially American. I'm pretty well travelled and have only seen such overt and absolute polarisation in the US. I'm sure there are others but I haven't seen it in Europe, Africa or the far East. It's quite the source of amusement in my circles. I say this knowing Elon is (was?) South African.

galangalalgol 5y ago

That is a good read, but being a child of the old internet, I agree with his axioms but disagree with his conclusions. I would rather Elon let these so called dangerous ideas fester into bad behavior, letting twitter turn into 4chan, where every day someone successfully advocates for hatred and arguably causes multiple deaths, than see a single 140 character post censored. You can call that naive, but the reality is that many of us have aeen speech turn into physical violence, and still prefer that to nervously polite dialog that avoids ideas that are likely true but might make someone act poorly.

V__ 5y ago
I agree with you in principle, but 4chan doesn't have the reach Twitter has, as soon as those platforms start having a wide enough reach, they are dangerous. I mean, Facebook was used to incite genocide and Twitter nearly toppled but damaged a democracy. Maybe the solution is to prevent social networks to gain too big of a reach.
- galangalalgol 5y ago
  If the landscape was more granular people would be cross posting stuff and using aggregation services. That was already the case to some extent. I think the answer is to let people be people and watch it all burn. Maybe someday some future society will learn from the mistakes we are making. But I don't think those mistakes include failing to protect ourselves from being exposed to inflammatory ideas. That sort of track record just gives conspiracy theorists more credibility.

ui4jd73bdj 5y ago

What a horrible take that censoring civil truthful factbased discussion is ok because some nutjob might draw wrong conclusions.

V__ 5y ago
> civil truthful factbased discussion I'm not sure you can call what's going on on Twitter any of these words, at least on any even slightly polarizing topics.