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https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-electric-vehicle-10-hours-volkswagen-production-ceo-unable-keep/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-electric-vehicle-10-hours

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-electric-vehicle-10-hours-volkswagen-production-ceo-unable-keep/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/tesla-electric-vehicle-10-hours... A lot of people are spouting short-seller crap from 2018. I suggest that they honestly look at where tesla is now, not when they last paid attention.

hef19898 4y ago
From the article: At the nearby Gruenheide factory outside of Berlin, Tesla is currently trucking along and set to achieve the goal of making an electric vehicle in under 10 hours. At this time, Volkswagen’s main Zwickau plant requires 30 hours per vehicle. Diess hopes to reduce that to 20 hours per vehicle by next year. Conclusion: Neither Tesla nor VW are producing EVs in ten hours. And Zwickau is not a dedicated EV plant and needs rebuilding to become one. Interesting that we only get concrete numbers from VW, so. I have to admit, it is funny to see VW, which was the most marketing dependent car maker I know up until Tesla showed up, and Tesla to slug it out in a PR and marketing war! EDIT: Zwickau wasn't a EV plant until 2020.
- panick21_ 4y ago
  Even if you want to make the most pessimistic possible attitude. Tesla went from a company who had never manufactures anything in large quantity, 5 years later they are seriously comparing to VW a company that has been a globally dominate automaker for decades. So look at Tesla in 2017 and say 'Musk is an idiot he thinks he can automate production' and then look at how Tesla produces cars in 2022 and tell me he is an idiot.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Musk still is an idiot when it comes to car manufacturing. Why? Because he gives a fuck about first pass yield and those things. Plus, Tesla is still almost a factor 10 away from production volumes of VW, Toyota and the like. From publicly available footage, a Tesla factory looks not any more impressive, even less so from commentary that knows much about automotive manufacturing than I do, than state of the art factories from legacy coomoanues. Tesla and SpaceX are impressive feats, I don't get the urge to pass Tesla and Musk as all encompassing geniusus that know everything better than encumbents.
    - InTheArena 4y ago
      Ford is on track to deliver 1.6 million cars this year. Tesla is doing 300k a quarter with two factories and about to open two more factories. Volkswagen is targeting 2.4 million this year. Consensus from the street (not provided by Tesla) is that Tesla will deliver around 1.5 million as it works through the Germany and Texas ramp up. You may want to true up your perceptions.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        So non EV cars don't count anynore or what? VW is just a tad above 10 M cars per year, that is without Audi, Skoda, SEAT and the trucks under MAN / Scania. Ford is at 6.4 M cars.
        InTheArena 4y ago
        Not sure where you get your numbers from, but they are incorrect per WSJ / NYT. A quick Google doesn't validate your 6.4 million number anwhere. On Ford - "The Detroit automaker sold 1,905,955 vehicles in 2021, ending up behind new U.S. leader Toyota Motor Corp (7203. T) and rival General Motors Co (GM. N). Ford had sold 2,044,744 vehicles a year earlier.Jan 5, 2022" VW (not including sub-brands, which are managed and mostly built separately): 4,896,900 It's worth noting both of those companies production is failing, while Tesla is increasing 50% YoY.
        hef19898 4y ago
        e.g. here: https://www.hotcars.com/largest-car-manufacturers/ https://www.hotcars.com/largest-car-manufacturers/ Statista has similar numbers. Edit: Turned out it was more like 2017 numbers... This source here has 9.5 million units for Toyota, 8.8 million for VW, both after steep drops in 2020. Ford is down to 3.9 million, I am honestly surprised by this. But then I undersetimated the drop in car deliveries in 2020. https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacturer.html https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture...
        4y ago

hef19898 4y ago

From the article: At the nearby Gruenheide factory outside of Berlin, Tesla is currently trucking along and set to achieve the goal of making an electric vehicle in under 10 hours. At this time, Volkswagen’s main Zwickau plant requires 30 hours per vehicle. Diess hopes to reduce that to 20 hours per vehicle by next year. Conclusion: Neither Tesla nor VW are producing EVs in ten hours. And Zwickau is not a dedicated EV plant and needs rebuilding to become one. Interesting that we only get concrete numbers from VW, so. I have to admit, it is funny to see VW, which was the most marketing dependent car maker I know up until Tesla showed up, and Tesla to slug it out in a PR and marketing war! EDIT: Zwickau wasn't a EV plant until 2020.

panick21_ 4y ago
Even if you want to make the most pessimistic possible attitude. Tesla went from a company who had never manufactures anything in large quantity, 5 years later they are seriously comparing to VW a company that has been a globally dominate automaker for decades. So look at Tesla in 2017 and say 'Musk is an idiot he thinks he can automate production' and then look at how Tesla produces cars in 2022 and tell me he is an idiot.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Musk still is an idiot when it comes to car manufacturing. Why? Because he gives a fuck about first pass yield and those things. Plus, Tesla is still almost a factor 10 away from production volumes of VW, Toyota and the like. From publicly available footage, a Tesla factory looks not any more impressive, even less so from commentary that knows much about automotive manufacturing than I do, than state of the art factories from legacy coomoanues. Tesla and SpaceX are impressive feats, I don't get the urge to pass Tesla and Musk as all encompassing geniusus that know everything better than encumbents.
  - InTheArena 4y ago
    Ford is on track to deliver 1.6 million cars this year. Tesla is doing 300k a quarter with two factories and about to open two more factories. Volkswagen is targeting 2.4 million this year. Consensus from the street (not provided by Tesla) is that Tesla will deliver around 1.5 million as it works through the Germany and Texas ramp up. You may want to true up your perceptions.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      So non EV cars don't count anynore or what? VW is just a tad above 10 M cars per year, that is without Audi, Skoda, SEAT and the trucks under MAN / Scania. Ford is at 6.4 M cars.
      - InTheArena 4y ago
        Not sure where you get your numbers from, but they are incorrect per WSJ / NYT. A quick Google doesn't validate your 6.4 million number anwhere. On Ford - "The Detroit automaker sold 1,905,955 vehicles in 2021, ending up behind new U.S. leader Toyota Motor Corp (7203. T) and rival General Motors Co (GM. N). Ford had sold 2,044,744 vehicles a year earlier.Jan 5, 2022" VW (not including sub-brands, which are managed and mostly built separately): 4,896,900 It's worth noting both of those companies production is failing, while Tesla is increasing 50% YoY.
        hef19898 4y ago
        e.g. here: https://www.hotcars.com/largest-car-manufacturers/ https://www.hotcars.com/largest-car-manufacturers/ Statista has similar numbers. Edit: Turned out it was more like 2017 numbers... This source here has 9.5 million units for Toyota, 8.8 million for VW, both after steep drops in 2020. Ford is down to 3.9 million, I am honestly surprised by this. But then I undersetimated the drop in car deliveries in 2020. https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacturer.html https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacture...
        4y ago