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Are you saying that we cannot properly address climate change because of... checks notes Twitter's moderation policies?

by spupe 4y ago

hans1729 4y ago
Are you saying that restricting the flow of information does not ... checks comment restrict our flow of information?
- DoughnutHole 4y ago
  Let me know when you find evidence of some valuable piece of climate, energy, or astronautics research that was kept under wraps due to the Twitter police. Censorship is a very real threat to scientific research but it tends to manifest as the state restricting research or pulling funding from politically unfavourable topics like climate change, as is seen in many American state governments and on a federal level under the previous administration. Scientific publication isn't exactly known for going through the channels of mass social media.
  - hans1729 4y ago
    I never mentioned censorship, which is a loaded and mostly useless (because agonizing and polarizing) term. I talked about flow of information. Science isn’t done on twitter, and twitter is not for scientists or those able and willing to read papers. Twitter is for the 90% who rely on groups, and the more tooling we implement that incentivizes those groups to devalue intellectual depth, the more we restrict the flow of actual information at scale. Policing who is able to distribute which data is, simply put, harmful to the organism.
- spupe 4y ago
  Filtering can improve the signal-to-noise ratio dramatically. We have always had some moderation/editing on books, newspapers, scientific papers and many other forums of meaningful exchange for centuries, and we progressed just fine. I
  - hans1729 4y ago
    Except for when the church decided what’s culturally appropriate and what’s not. Eerily reminding of the content moderation teams in SV, isnt it? Improving signal quality != fire walling signals as a whole.
    - spupe 4y ago
      Look, this started with a claim that Twitter moderation policies are blocking us from addressing climate change. Then a separate claim, that any sort of moderation is harmful, was made and I challenged it. Now you are coming with a third position, which is that sometimes moderation is indeed bad. Which is true, but the real question is whether current moderation practices in Twitter are blocking us from meaningful discussion, in particular in regards to climate change.
      - hans1729 4y ago
        >the real question is whether current moderation practices in Twitter are blocking us from meaningful discussion And that question is another one than "does twitter censor climate change-discussions?", right? My point was: yes, it does.
prvc 4y ago
Wild, huh?

Are you saying that we cannot properly address climate change because of... checks notes Twitter's moderation policies?

by spupe 4y ago

Are you saying that we cannot properly address climate change because of... checks notes Twitter's moderation policies?

hans1729 4y ago

Are you saying that restricting the flow of information does not ... checks comment restrict our flow of information?

DoughnutHole 4y ago
Let me know when you find evidence of some valuable piece of climate, energy, or astronautics research that was kept under wraps due to the Twitter police. Censorship is a very real threat to scientific research but it tends to manifest as the state restricting research or pulling funding from politically unfavourable topics like climate change, as is seen in many American state governments and on a federal level under the previous administration. Scientific publication isn't exactly known for going through the channels of mass social media.
- hans1729 4y ago
  I never mentioned censorship, which is a loaded and mostly useless (because agonizing and polarizing) term. I talked about flow of information. Science isn’t done on twitter, and twitter is not for scientists or those able and willing to read papers. Twitter is for the 90% who rely on groups, and the more tooling we implement that incentivizes those groups to devalue intellectual depth, the more we restrict the flow of actual information at scale. Policing who is able to distribute which data is, simply put, harmful to the organism.
spupe 4y ago
Filtering can improve the signal-to-noise ratio dramatically. We have always had some moderation/editing on books, newspapers, scientific papers and many other forums of meaningful exchange for centuries, and we progressed just fine. I
- hans1729 4y ago
  Except for when the church decided what’s culturally appropriate and what’s not. Eerily reminding of the content moderation teams in SV, isnt it? Improving signal quality != fire walling signals as a whole.
  - spupe 4y ago
    Look, this started with a claim that Twitter moderation policies are blocking us from addressing climate change. Then a separate claim, that any sort of moderation is harmful, was made and I challenged it. Now you are coming with a third position, which is that sometimes moderation is indeed bad. Which is true, but the real question is whether current moderation practices in Twitter are blocking us from meaningful discussion, in particular in regards to climate change.
    - hans1729 4y ago
      >the real question is whether current moderation practices in Twitter are blocking us from meaningful discussion And that question is another one than "does twitter censor climate change-discussions?", right? My point was: yes, it does.

prvc 4y ago

Wild, huh?