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So, you have "the universe enforcing property rights through math", but when you arrive at your house, it's taken over by someone else. What now?

randomhodler84 5y ago
Like I leave the house…
- dmitriid 5y ago
  So, no answer.
  - randomhodler84 5y ago
    I’d probably just burn it down and build another one. It’s a silly question. I didn’t say all things, including your house are protected by math, I said Bitcoin was the first thing ever that didn’t need state violence to enforce the money.
    - dmitriid 5y ago
      > I’d probably just burn it down and build another one. Again, a non-answer > It’s a silly question It's not. You're telling us that, quote, "The state being able to confiscate things is the opposite of property rights. The universe enforcing it through math is a more natural state." So. You bought your house with bitcoin, and now you have your property rights through universe and math. You arrive at your property that you have rights to, and it's occupied by someone else. For example, by the person who sold you the house. That person doesn't want to move out. Now what. As always, crypto-proponents dismiss this as a "silly question". Because, of course, you're only focused on "state can seize your property", completely forgetting all the other things that state does. Like enforcing the property rights. Without this, your universe can enforce exactly zero through math.
      - randomhodler84 5y ago
        How do animals protect their habitat without state violence and property rights?
        dmitriid 5y ago
        > How do animals protect their habitat Weaker animals get chased out, and their habitat destroyed or taken over by stronger animals. So your "answer" is violence? What a great world you want us to live in. And one that we already have lived in, and a world in which some countries still live. Good luck finding money for protection rackets.
        randomhodler84 5y ago
        The answer is not violence from me. I do not wish any harm on anyone. I think you are advocating for violence by the state in this question. We are just animals who have invented state violence. Bitcoin et al is another way.
        lottin 5y ago
        Bitcoin doesn't make state violence any less necessary. How do you expect to enforce laws without state violence?

randomhodler84 5y ago

Like I leave the house…

dmitriid 5y ago
So, no answer.
- randomhodler84 5y ago
  I’d probably just burn it down and build another one. It’s a silly question. I didn’t say all things, including your house are protected by math, I said Bitcoin was the first thing ever that didn’t need state violence to enforce the money.
  - dmitriid 5y ago
    > I’d probably just burn it down and build another one. Again, a non-answer > It’s a silly question It's not. You're telling us that, quote, "The state being able to confiscate things is the opposite of property rights. The universe enforcing it through math is a more natural state." So. You bought your house with bitcoin, and now you have your property rights through universe and math. You arrive at your property that you have rights to, and it's occupied by someone else. For example, by the person who sold you the house. That person doesn't want to move out. Now what. As always, crypto-proponents dismiss this as a "silly question". Because, of course, you're only focused on "state can seize your property", completely forgetting all the other things that state does. Like enforcing the property rights. Without this, your universe can enforce exactly zero through math.
    - randomhodler84 5y ago
      How do animals protect their habitat without state violence and property rights?
      - dmitriid 5y ago
        > How do animals protect their habitat Weaker animals get chased out, and their habitat destroyed or taken over by stronger animals. So your "answer" is violence? What a great world you want us to live in. And one that we already have lived in, and a world in which some countries still live. Good luck finding money for protection rackets.
        randomhodler84 5y ago
        The answer is not violence from me. I do not wish any harm on anyone. I think you are advocating for violence by the state in this question. We are just animals who have invented state violence. Bitcoin et al is another way.
        lottin 5y ago
        Bitcoin doesn't make state violence any less necessary. How do you expect to enforce laws without state violence?