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I never bought the argument that men are struggling with their masculinity. I was surprised that this even became a topic in tech where programming nerds alread

I never bought the argument that men are struggling with their masculinity. I was surprised that this even became a topic in tech where programming nerds already have written off being masculine, as classically associated with shooting guns instead of pointers. Basically doing the opposite than pondering in your faculty in your jesus slippers. But I never had the impression anyone took that to heart seriously. Income is very relevant though and the most honest appreciation of your work and there is a development in a negative direction. This does hit women even worse from my experience though. But your point still holds truth, instead of lamenting masculinity (very few people care) perhaps "the left" should reorient itself to actually improve working conditions and most importantly wages. I think Jordan Petersen can improve himself even more if he would clean my room too, but I believe many people do like him because it signals rejection of detached gender topics in general and there just so many venues for that. Because people don't care about it just as they don't care about their masculinity. Their pay check however is another matter. Furthermore the problems in the workplace are not just monetary. Work is more compacted, surveillance is increasing, stress is increasing because of 24/7 connectivity... and now they have to put their pronouns in their signatures? You might get a wave of rejection for that after some point.

21723 5y ago
But your point still holds truth, instead of lamenting masculinity (very few people care) perhaps "the left" should reorient itself to actually improve working conditions and most importantly wages. I largely agree. The left's real mission is unifying, not divisive. (The corporate "woke" left is a ruse designed to divide people against each other by emphasizing identity politics and de-emphasizing class, money, and systemic effects.) I only point out (or, at least, purport) the existence of a Masculine Crisis because I think it is real enough for people like Peterson and Carlson to capitalize on. Society still tells men they have to "provide" and heterosexual women still expect them to, and if the only way to do so is to humiliate themselves, that's a historically dangerous situation.

21723 5y ago

But your point still holds truth, instead of lamenting masculinity (very few people care) perhaps "the left" should reorient itself to actually improve working conditions and most importantly wages. I largely agree. The left's real mission is unifying, not divisive. (The corporate "woke" left is a ruse designed to divide people against each other by emphasizing identity politics and de-emphasizing class, money, and systemic effects.) I only point out (or, at least, purport) the existence of a Masculine Crisis because I think it is real enough for people like Peterson and Carlson to capitalize on. Society still tells men they have to "provide" and heterosexual women still expect them to, and if the only way to do so is to humiliate themselves, that's a historically dangerous situation.