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I’ll raise my hand. There’s no benefit in tolerating intolerance. If fascists take power they’ll come for the enlightened centrists too. Try telling the gesta

I’ll raise my hand. There’s no benefit in tolerating intolerance. If fascists take power they’ll come for the enlightened centrists too. Try telling the gestapo “While, I respect your right to your opinions, I must ask you to unhand my wife and leave my home. “

john_the_writer 5y ago
So be intolerant to intolerance? Is that a recursive function? Feels like it.
- idontwantthis 5y ago
  We had a war about it. It was a pretty big deal.
- captainbland 5y ago
  To read more on this concept, look up "paradox of tolerance".
- matt-attack 5y ago
  Fuck yes be tolerant of intolerance. You don’t have to agree with it, but you can’t stop people speaking their minds. Even if those thoughts are repugnant. Free speech only matters for the repugnant stuff. The phrase wouldn’t even exist if people only talked about rainbows and lollipops. Study this case and try to see why the ACLU fought for it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_...
skissane 5y ago
But who is a fascist? Few people will openly profess being one; many more will be accused (by somebody somewhere) of being a fascist even though they insist they are not. So, are you saying we should be intolerant only of self-professed fascists? Or also people who are labelled as fascists even if they claim not to be? But if the later – since anyone can levy the accusation, who will be given the power to decide which accusations of "fascism" are sufficiently proven to justify intolerance, and which ought to be dismissed? And how do you ensure that whoever is granted this power will not abuse it?
- idontwantthis 5y ago
  Fortunately, like conservatives, liberals also have critical thinking skills and opinions, and are able to disagree on who to protest and how vigorously.
  - skissane 5y ago
    So we should debate it? But how do we decide who wins the debate? Should we have a majority vote? If the majority believes a belief deserves our tolerance, then it should be tolerated, otherwise not?
    - idontwantthis 5y ago
      Yeah I'll see you at the next antifa council meeting. I'll be the one in black.

john_the_writer 5y ago

So be intolerant to intolerance? Is that a recursive function? Feels like it.

idontwantthis 5y ago
We had a war about it. It was a pretty big deal.
captainbland 5y ago
To read more on this concept, look up "paradox of tolerance".
matt-attack 5y ago
Fuck yes be tolerant of intolerance. You don’t have to agree with it, but you can’t stop people speaking their minds. Even if those thoughts are repugnant. Free speech only matters for the repugnant stuff. The phrase wouldn’t even exist if people only talked about rainbows and lollipops. Study this case and try to see why the ACLU fought for it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_...

skissane 5y ago

But who is a fascist? Few people will openly profess being one; many more will be accused (by somebody somewhere) of being a fascist even though they insist they are not. So, are you saying we should be intolerant only of self-professed fascists? Or also people who are labelled as fascists even if they claim not to be? But if the later – since anyone can levy the accusation, who will be given the power to decide which accusations of "fascism" are sufficiently proven to justify intolerance, and which ought to be dismissed? And how do you ensure that whoever is granted this power will not abuse it?

idontwantthis 5y ago
Fortunately, like conservatives, liberals also have critical thinking skills and opinions, and are able to disagree on who to protest and how vigorously.
- skissane 5y ago
  So we should debate it? But how do we decide who wins the debate? Should we have a majority vote? If the majority believes a belief deserves our tolerance, then it should be tolerated, otherwise not?
  - idontwantthis 5y ago
    Yeah I'll see you at the next antifa council meeting. I'll be the one in black.