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eating our way to extinction, which I’d on Amazon prime right now, talks about Norway and the farmed fish system there. Seeing what the farmed fish looked like

by mfer 4y ago

eating our way to extinction, which I’d on Amazon prime right now, talks about Norway and the farmed fish system there. Seeing what the farmed fish looked like (they are often not healthy) was kind of gross.

dzhiurgis 4y ago
NZ farmed salmon is supposedly safe, wonder if it has better status in Japan. Regardless I overeaten of it and now my go to is teriyaki snapper.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  Unlike most places that farm salmon. Nz salmon starts out in the river. Grown to a certain size then moved to farms to finish growing. Farms are not overpopulated. The new born salmon are put back into rivers. In Norway the salmon farms spend the entire life in the farm. Are fed lots of antibiotics because they get sick. And are overpopulated. Nz. Is very strict because of 1 person messes up it ruins the reputation of the entire country.
  - vintermann 4y ago
    That wouldn't even work. You have to grow salmon in freshwater to a certain size before you can grow them in the sea, it's done in tanks on land here in Norway (the fishery directorate would certainly not let them use rivers). I worked at the University library when I studied, I remember there was a ton of outdated books from the early development of salmon aquaculture. Salmon farming didn't even succeed until the late 60s, it took a lot longer to make it profitable. They tried a lot of wild stuff, some of it was ecologically questionable to put it mildly (like "havbeite", the idea of forgoing enclosures entirely and just release the smolt to sea, hoping to catch it later). But regulation has caught up to the industry somewhat. Of course, now the Norwegian owned industry does a lot of the bad stuff it's no longer allowed to do in Norway in Chile instead.
- jandrewrogers 4y ago
  New Zealand farmed salmon is the only farmed salmon I will eat, because it is legitimately much higher quality than farmed salmon I have eaten from anywhere else. No idea about safety per se. I have easy access to fresh wild Alaskan salmon and typically eat that from sources with known supply chains. Nonetheless, experience has convinced me that New Zealand produces the only farmed product that is remotely comparable in quality. New Zealand has a legit below-the-radar farmed salmon business, mostly because their salmon has quality unlike any other farmed salmon I've experienced.
oneoff786 4y ago
Farmed salmon tastes way better to me than wild. I think there’s some pollutant concerns with wild as well
- lr4444lr 4y ago
  It tastes better likely because it is more fatty. The various toxins in farmed salmon probably accumulate in the fat tissues though, so not sure why you'd think wild is more toxic.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    You have a source on farmed salmon being toxic? I'd think FDA (and other national equivalents) might have an issue with that...
    - lr4444lr 4y ago
      I didn't specifically say farmed salmon was more toxic, just that the toxins we are concerned about in fish accumulate in the fat tissues. The FDA is very clear on this, even if they think the amounts are mostly of concern to pregnant and lactating women. https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/questions-answers-fdaepa-advice-about-eating-fish-those-who-might-become-or-are-pregnant-or#V https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/questions-answers-fdaepa-...
  - oneoff786 4y ago
    Lean salmon tastes too gamey for me. I find it very unpleasant.
- wumpus 4y ago
  You're in luck! Most wild salmon is actually farmed these days. Many newspaper articles about that. On the flip side, farmed salmon doesn't have the health benefits of wild, because they don't eat things with a lot of omega-3's.
  - rendang 4y ago

by mfer 4y ago

dzhiurgis 4y ago

NZ farmed salmon is supposedly safe, wonder if it has better status in Japan. Regardless I overeaten of it and now my go to is teriyaki snapper.

philliphaydon 4y ago
Unlike most places that farm salmon. Nz salmon starts out in the river. Grown to a certain size then moved to farms to finish growing. Farms are not overpopulated. The new born salmon are put back into rivers. In Norway the salmon farms spend the entire life in the farm. Are fed lots of antibiotics because they get sick. And are overpopulated. Nz. Is very strict because of 1 person messes up it ruins the reputation of the entire country.
- vintermann 4y ago
  That wouldn't even work. You have to grow salmon in freshwater to a certain size before you can grow them in the sea, it's done in tanks on land here in Norway (the fishery directorate would certainly not let them use rivers). I worked at the University library when I studied, I remember there was a ton of outdated books from the early development of salmon aquaculture. Salmon farming didn't even succeed until the late 60s, it took a lot longer to make it profitable. They tried a lot of wild stuff, some of it was ecologically questionable to put it mildly (like "havbeite", the idea of forgoing enclosures entirely and just release the smolt to sea, hoping to catch it later). But regulation has caught up to the industry somewhat. Of course, now the Norwegian owned industry does a lot of the bad stuff it's no longer allowed to do in Norway in Chile instead.
jandrewrogers 4y ago
New Zealand farmed salmon is the only farmed salmon I will eat, because it is legitimately much higher quality than farmed salmon I have eaten from anywhere else. No idea about safety per se. I have easy access to fresh wild Alaskan salmon and typically eat that from sources with known supply chains. Nonetheless, experience has convinced me that New Zealand produces the only farmed product that is remotely comparable in quality. New Zealand has a legit below-the-radar farmed salmon business, mostly because their salmon has quality unlike any other farmed salmon I've experienced.

oneoff786 4y ago

Farmed salmon tastes way better to me than wild. I think there’s some pollutant concerns with wild as well

lr4444lr 4y ago
It tastes better likely because it is more fatty. The various toxins in farmed salmon probably accumulate in the fat tissues though, so not sure why you'd think wild is more toxic.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  You have a source on farmed salmon being toxic? I'd think FDA (and other national equivalents) might have an issue with that...
  - lr4444lr 4y ago
    I didn't specifically say farmed salmon was more toxic, just that the toxins we are concerned about in fish accumulate in the fat tissues. The FDA is very clear on this, even if they think the amounts are mostly of concern to pregnant and lactating women. https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/questions-answers-fdaepa-advice-about-eating-fish-those-who-might-become-or-are-pregnant-or#V https://www.fda.gov/food/consumers/questions-answers-fdaepa-...
- oneoff786 4y ago
  Lean salmon tastes too gamey for me. I find it very unpleasant.
wumpus 4y ago
You're in luck! Most wild salmon is actually farmed these days. Many newspaper articles about that. On the flip side, farmed salmon doesn't have the health benefits of wild, because they don't eat things with a lot of omega-3's.
- rendang 4y ago