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Never sign a non-compete. Non-competes, the most anti-innovation, anti-skilled worker, anti-free market, anti-business and anti-American thing in working today.
by drawkbox 4y ago
Never sign a non-compete. Non-competes, the most anti-innovation, anti-skilled worker, anti-free market, anti-business and anti-American thing in working today.
Non-competes are protectionism for larger businesses over small/medium businesses and try to own employees skills that they may have brought to the company or client themselves.
As a freelancer, contractor and self-employed business owner/worker, please make these illegal, tired of these.
The worst part about non-competes is they are blanket protectionism usually and up to 2+ years of non-compete, this sometimes happens on a job that is only 1-3 months. You have to laugh at those types of situations. Usually the client will push them aside or lower the time to the job plus some time, but both non-competes and arbitration agreements are horrible for workers in today's economy where people change jobs frequently and many are self-employed/freelancing/contracting. NDAs are plenty enough to protect companies from clients and work done specifically for the projects.
After SCOTUS upheld arbitration agreements [1] I am worried if non-competes become fully legal which they are not in extreme cases except in California [2]. The FTC is looking into non-competes now and they should be illegal [3].
We need to move the way of California and make non-competes null and illegal, it hasn't stopped innovation in CA and may be a big reason why so much innovation goes on in Cali.
The non-compete should not exist. At the core, removing competition from skilled workers in our economy is bad all around, unless you are one of the current big fish.
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-upholds-workplace-arbitration-contracts.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/business/supreme-court-up...
[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/business/noncompete-clauses.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/13/business/noncompete-claus...
[3] https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2020/01/non-competes-workplace-examining-antitrust-consumer-protection-issues https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/events/2020/01/non-competes-...
- esel2k 4y agoI agree and want to emphazise that especially desperate job seeker might sign it just to get a job in the given industry to a few years down the line hit a wall when getting a great offer at the competitor... I went through this with a lawyer and she told me it is unlikely they would sue me, but they could make my life miserable. That was enough for many to be too scared to go to the competitors. - My experience is from Europe; but I will never ever sign a non compete anymore and so fo I recommend go anyone.
- throwaway81523 4y agoI saw something here about California banning arbitration agreements a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17849490 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17849490 I don't know what the scope of it is though. I wonder if anyone has pushed back at arbitration clauses successfully. I got screwed by one once, I'm pretty sure.
- throwaway69123 4y agoI always offer to sign non competes with an amendment that says they must pay me for the time that it’s in effect, usually they remove it because it isn’t that valuable to them. I find almost universally asking for compensation for strict contract clauses sees them removed fast
- wumpus 4y agoThat's actually somewhat close to the California way -- if a corporation wants you to not compete, they can volunteer to pay you your full salary to sit at home. But then the California twist is that the employee can choose to end that whenever they like. Voluntary golden handcuffs.