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>"Although this may be considered an unflattering characterization…we have found no evidence to contradict the basic general principle that men will do whatever

>"Although this may be considered an unflattering characterization…we have found no evidence to contradict the basic general principle that men will do whatever is required in order to obtain sex, and perhaps not a great deal more. (One of us characterized this in a previous work as, ‘If women would stop sleeping with jerks, men would stop being jerks.’) If in order to obtain sex men must become pillars of the community, or lie, or amass riches by fair means or foul, or be romantic or funny, then many men will do precisely that." I hate to be the person to point this out, but this ideal has all of the same problems as the incel plan. Women are going to find whoever they think is attractive attractive and there's nothing you can do about it no matter how high or low your social aims. Yes, a lot of people would love to rewrite human nature to make pudgy men with stable jobs the peak of male form but that is as ridiculous as it sounds. :-) If you want to do anything about this it's going to have to involve changing men.

hackerfromthefu 5y ago
That's wrong. Women's attractiveness to men (and vice versa) is based strongly on societal expectations. Those societal expectations have been getting programmed by hollywood and media for so many decades that a massive amount or even majority has very unrealistic expectations. The ones that seem free of this were lucky to have a really good role model of more healthy realistic relationships in their family. In summary if we stopped programming people to have unrealistic expectations, they just might, maybe, don't you think .. form relationships more. I think though I'm not as sure that this applies to women more then men, based on the stats showing that most women will reject most men but not the other way around (1). 1) Reference for this is the OkCupid blog which has been deleted but would still be available with searching.
- whatshisface 5y ago
  >Those societal expectations have been getting programmed by hollywood and media for so many decades that a massive amount or even majority has very unrealistic expectations. Hollywood is not going to stop hiring physically attractive actors, that's another impossible intervention.

hackerfromthefu 5y ago

That's wrong. Women's attractiveness to men (and vice versa) is based strongly on societal expectations. Those societal expectations have been getting programmed by hollywood and media for so many decades that a massive amount or even majority has very unrealistic expectations. The ones that seem free of this were lucky to have a really good role model of more healthy realistic relationships in their family. In summary if we stopped programming people to have unrealistic expectations, they just might, maybe, don't you think .. form relationships more. I think though I'm not as sure that this applies to women more then men, based on the stats showing that most women will reject most men but not the other way around (1). 1) Reference for this is the OkCupid blog which has been deleted but would still be available with searching.

whatshisface 5y ago
>Those societal expectations have been getting programmed by hollywood and media for so many decades that a massive amount or even majority has very unrealistic expectations. Hollywood is not going to stop hiring physically attractive actors, that's another impossible intervention.