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Not to mention that plumber probably doesn't have health coverage. The people who love to talk about what a fine profession that would be (for other people's k

Not to mention that plumber probably doesn't have health coverage. The people who love to talk about what a fine profession that would be (for other people's kids, of course, never their own kids) are the same people who fight tooth and nail against any kind of health care policy that might make a non-white collar career more viable.

erosenbe0 4y ago
Plumbers and pipefitters have a union that has plenty of power in current market. No health insurance and they won't work. Plumbing pays more than 80k in major cities. Plumbing contractors have to carry workers comp insurance.
- StevePerkins 4y ago
  Having grown up in a rural area, I assure you that any unions or health coverage is a strictly urban phenomenon. And $80k isn't all that great of a top-end, for people living in major cities with their cost of living.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    This thread is about saving up to buy a house in a city though.
  - pinot 4y ago
    jman plumber in my town earns $47/hr+$32/hr in benefits. Not bad total comp especially if you add in OT.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    I did some quick lookups from BLS and other salary sources for my (mid sized southern US MSA) sometime back and yeah the median and mean wages for a lot of skilled labor and trade positions are pretty damn close to what a lot of clerical type office jobs were paying. I.E. not great, probably livable. I’ll see if I can go back through and find my comment.
throwaway48375 4y ago
In my area United Association Plumbers get $42.77/hour and have great benefits including healthcare/pension. I agree though we need truly universal healthcare like medicare for all. The system we have now is hopelessly broken.
- sieabahlpark 4y ago
  Doesn't seem like the rest of the world's universal healthcare did any better than ours? You have farfetched dreams that government run anything would somehow be not shit. You'd hardly get any coverage and I doubt the deductible would be anywhere sufficient.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    You don't get completely fucked if you lose your job and then get sick/injured? Is that not better? I pay literally $0 to go to the doctors or emergency room.
    - AvocadoPanic 4y ago
      Someone pays, just not you at the point of service.
      - heavyset_go 4y ago
        Everyone knows that "free" healthcare means that it's still being paid for via taxes, so points like this aren't exactly insightful. The OP's point was that their care cost them nothing to utilize or receive, not that there aren't costs in the system at all. Nobody actually believes that doctors are working for free, that assumption would be a strawman.
        AvocadoPanic 4y ago
        If you don't pay the bill, it doesn't cost you anything either. I'm not sure everyone knows there's a no free healthcare, we may move in different cicles. Having lived with socialized healthcare and still paying private insurance in order to access expedient, competent, comfortable care is especially frustrating.

erosenbe0 4y ago

Plumbers and pipefitters have a union that has plenty of power in current market. No health insurance and they won't work. Plumbing pays more than 80k in major cities. Plumbing contractors have to carry workers comp insurance.

StevePerkins 4y ago
Having grown up in a rural area, I assure you that any unions or health coverage is a strictly urban phenomenon. And $80k isn't all that great of a top-end, for people living in major cities with their cost of living.
- kortilla 4y ago
  This thread is about saving up to buy a house in a city though.
- pinot 4y ago
  jman plumber in my town earns $47/hr+$32/hr in benefits. Not bad total comp especially if you add in OT.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  I did some quick lookups from BLS and other salary sources for my (mid sized southern US MSA) sometime back and yeah the median and mean wages for a lot of skilled labor and trade positions are pretty damn close to what a lot of clerical type office jobs were paying. I.E. not great, probably livable. I’ll see if I can go back through and find my comment.

throwaway48375 4y ago

In my area United Association Plumbers get $42.77/hour and have great benefits including healthcare/pension. I agree though we need truly universal healthcare like medicare for all. The system we have now is hopelessly broken.

sieabahlpark 4y ago
Doesn't seem like the rest of the world's universal healthcare did any better than ours? You have farfetched dreams that government run anything would somehow be not shit. You'd hardly get any coverage and I doubt the deductible would be anywhere sufficient.
- goosedragons 4y ago
  You don't get completely fucked if you lose your job and then get sick/injured? Is that not better? I pay literally $0 to go to the doctors or emergency room.
  - AvocadoPanic 4y ago
    Someone pays, just not you at the point of service.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      Everyone knows that "free" healthcare means that it's still being paid for via taxes, so points like this aren't exactly insightful. The OP's point was that their care cost them nothing to utilize or receive, not that there aren't costs in the system at all. Nobody actually believes that doctors are working for free, that assumption would be a strawman.
      - AvocadoPanic 4y ago
        If you don't pay the bill, it doesn't cost you anything either. I'm not sure everyone knows there's a no free healthcare, we may move in different cicles. Having lived with socialized healthcare and still paying private insurance in order to access expedient, competent, comfortable care is especially frustrating.