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Microsoft handed out builds at PDC. It's difficult to take claims that it didn't have massive performance issues seriously.

pjmlp 5y ago
No one is claiming that performance problems did not exist on an alpha version of Longhorn. Performance problems get sorted out, instead we got management chaos, https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7ffb5a1a https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7f...
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  Jim Allchin, who ran Windows development at the time, didn't send an email to Gates and Ballmer warning about management issues. He told them that Longhorn was a pig and he didn't see any solution to that issue. Just before the code base was abandoned.
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  - pjmlp 5y ago
    Insider info here, proof would be nice. In any case, the top level manager for Windows development asserts his failure to make the team make it happen, looks like management issues to me. The coach failed the team.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      >proof would be nice. It's one of the internal emails made public as part of the Microsoft antitrust trial. >LH is a pig and I don’t see any solution to this problem. If we are to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the lessons of “scenario, simple, fast” to heart. https://web.archive.org/web/20210427171552/http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2007/01/10/jim-allchins-mac-message-the-full-text/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210427171552/http://blog.seatt... Sorry, but the person who was in charge of Windows development at the time did not agree with you. Longhorn failed due to performance issues that Jim Allchin believed were unsolvable.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        The manager failed at his job to steer the team into solving those issues. The team's failure has a direct relation with the management failing to act upon the issues until it was too late to actually try to sort them out. So yeah, management failure in all its glory. The anti-trust trial was decided in 2001, Longhorn was developed from middle 2001 up to 2006, nice try.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        The lead developer said the performance problem could not be solved and the code was abandoned. I'm not sure how you can spin your way around that and be taken seriously.

pjmlp 5y ago

No one is claiming that performance problems did not exist on an alpha version of Longhorn. Performance problems get sorted out, instead we got management chaos, https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7ffb5a1a https://hackernoon.com/what-really-happened-with-vista-4ca7f...

GeekyBear 5y ago
Jim Allchin, who ran Windows development at the time, didn't send an email to Gates and Ballmer warning about management issues. He told them that Longhorn was a pig and he didn't see any solution to that issue. Just before the code base was abandoned.
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- pjmlp 5y ago
  Insider info here, proof would be nice. In any case, the top level manager for Windows development asserts his failure to make the team make it happen, looks like management issues to me. The coach failed the team.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    >proof would be nice. It's one of the internal emails made public as part of the Microsoft antitrust trial. >LH is a pig and I don’t see any solution to this problem. If we are to rise to the challenge of Linux and Apple, we need to start taking the lessons of “scenario, simple, fast” to heart. https://web.archive.org/web/20210427171552/http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2007/01/10/jim-allchins-mac-message-the-full-text/ https://web.archive.org/web/20210427171552/http://blog.seatt... Sorry, but the person who was in charge of Windows development at the time did not agree with you. Longhorn failed due to performance issues that Jim Allchin believed were unsolvable.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      The manager failed at his job to steer the team into solving those issues. The team's failure has a direct relation with the management failing to act upon the issues until it was too late to actually try to sort them out. So yeah, management failure in all its glory. The anti-trust trial was decided in 2001, Longhorn was developed from middle 2001 up to 2006, nice try.
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        The lead developer said the performance problem could not be solved and the code was abandoned. I'm not sure how you can spin your way around that and be taken seriously.