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How they gonna pay the bills?

by immigrantheart 4y ago

Forgeties79 4y ago
That’s exactly what they’re asking but for different reasons.
- immigrantheart 4y ago
  Sorry, could you elaborate? I'm not sure why I got downvoted, I genuinely curious how they are going to pay the bills.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    I think before I elaborate too much I have to ask you a question: do you genuinely believe that most of Gen Z is actually refusing to work/is against the entire concept of working for pay?
    - immigrantheart 4y ago
      No, I don't believe that.
      - Forgeties79 4y ago
        Ok good to know that sort of makes this easier to respond to. So they’re not “rebelling against work” and the article as a whole is just so reductionist. What most are doing is questioning 1) what we find acceptable in a work environment and 2) what we find acceptable to pay people for a day of their labor. If you’re Gen Z, unlike middle to older millennials, chances are you weren’t raised with the “bootstraps” narrative quite as baked into things because their parents weren’t all able to pay for college with summer jobs or a house with an entry level job. They also are part of the first generation that is questioning if college is worth it. Left and right, up and down, all they see are closing doors and lack of financial mobility. So what’s the logical response to seeing a system that doesn’t seem like they can work within it? A call for change. “No, I won’t work for $7.25. No, I don’t want six figure debt to get a degree and maybe have a job. No, I can’t do what I love for pay because no one respects it since it isn’t STEM.” The list goes on.
        immigrantheart 4y ago
        Okay, I think I sorta understand it, but I still wonder about how they will going to pay their bills. i.e, if they have their criteria on what is acceptable pay, won't the natural course of things is to quit on the unacceptable job and just find a better paying jobs, which means business as usual and wonder why there needs to be an article written on the first place. I was under the impression that the article seem to imply that Gen Z don't have the capability of choosing good jobs because of lack of good job market or marketable skills etc, and those Gen Z decided to just quit it altogether, which made me to ask the question on how they are going to pay the bills. I am a middle millennial, but I think because of my upbringing (not in the USA), I am still fine with the bootstraps narrative, but at the same time also acknowledge that I cannot get a house with an entry level job (I have some other comments in this same thread that reflect this thinking), therefore I do need to study and get a better paying job. I am actually confused on how people were able to get a house with an entry level job at all. My story is I came from outside of USA, got a green card, worked low paying jobs such as deli, laundry, dry clean, sushi, coffee, and then save money and got into a programming bootcamp, and then worked part time as SWE, then went to get a CS degree at a local public college. Currently I don't have any debt and earn L4 FAANG level salary. I always wondered that my fellow friends graduated from expensive Ivy Leagues, still have student debt and still not making more than me. I don't question the necessity of education but I do question the worth of expensive educations that my friends went through. I didn't go to montessori schools like them or was raised with privileges, but in the end (as of today) I still stand to them as equal (if not more) socio-economically, and I came from a 3rd world country. So, my natural response to the Gen Zs would be like, "Yes I agree, don't work for $7.25. But why go to expensive college and get 6 figure debts, why not go to a trade school? Doing what you love is nice, but market forces still exist, and no amount of regulations can change that. People buy what they need first. We can't force people to spend money on art yet, when they need engineering first" What do you think?
        Forgeties79 4y ago
        > I always wondered that my fellow friends graduated from expensive Ivy Leagues, still have student debt and still not making more than me. Simply put? They were given a false bill of goods. We were all told that if we went to college, it would all sort itself out. Then the recession happened and all hell broke loose lol. (Half) jokes aside, the answer is a lot more complicated and I want to address more of your response, but I am not at my computer and trying to keep track of it while writing on mobile is going to make me want to give up, so I’m going to take a look at this when I’m at my computer tonight or tomorrow for sure and get back to you. Promise!

How they gonna pay the bills?

Forgeties79 4y ago

That’s exactly what they’re asking but for different reasons.

immigrantheart 4y ago
Sorry, could you elaborate? I'm not sure why I got downvoted, I genuinely curious how they are going to pay the bills.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  I think before I elaborate too much I have to ask you a question: do you genuinely believe that most of Gen Z is actually refusing to work/is against the entire concept of working for pay?
  - immigrantheart 4y ago
    No, I don't believe that.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      Ok good to know that sort of makes this easier to respond to. So they’re not “rebelling against work” and the article as a whole is just so reductionist. What most are doing is questioning 1) what we find acceptable in a work environment and 2) what we find acceptable to pay people for a day of their labor. If you’re Gen Z, unlike middle to older millennials, chances are you weren’t raised with the “bootstraps” narrative quite as baked into things because their parents weren’t all able to pay for college with summer jobs or a house with an entry level job. They also are part of the first generation that is questioning if college is worth it. Left and right, up and down, all they see are closing doors and lack of financial mobility. So what’s the logical response to seeing a system that doesn’t seem like they can work within it? A call for change. “No, I won’t work for $7.25. No, I don’t want six figure debt to get a degree and maybe have a job. No, I can’t do what I love for pay because no one respects it since it isn’t STEM.” The list goes on.
      - immigrantheart 4y ago
        Okay, I think I sorta understand it, but I still wonder about how they will going to pay their bills. i.e, if they have their criteria on what is acceptable pay, won't the natural course of things is to quit on the unacceptable job and just find a better paying jobs, which means business as usual and wonder why there needs to be an article written on the first place. I was under the impression that the article seem to imply that Gen Z don't have the capability of choosing good jobs because of lack of good job market or marketable skills etc, and those Gen Z decided to just quit it altogether, which made me to ask the question on how they are going to pay the bills. I am a middle millennial, but I think because of my upbringing (not in the USA), I am still fine with the bootstraps narrative, but at the same time also acknowledge that I cannot get a house with an entry level job (I have some other comments in this same thread that reflect this thinking), therefore I do need to study and get a better paying job. I am actually confused on how people were able to get a house with an entry level job at all. My story is I came from outside of USA, got a green card, worked low paying jobs such as deli, laundry, dry clean, sushi, coffee, and then save money and got into a programming bootcamp, and then worked part time as SWE, then went to get a CS degree at a local public college. Currently I don't have any debt and earn L4 FAANG level salary. I always wondered that my fellow friends graduated from expensive Ivy Leagues, still have student debt and still not making more than me. I don't question the necessity of education but I do question the worth of expensive educations that my friends went through. I didn't go to montessori schools like them or was raised with privileges, but in the end (as of today) I still stand to them as equal (if not more) socio-economically, and I came from a 3rd world country. So, my natural response to the Gen Zs would be like, "Yes I agree, don't work for $7.25. But why go to expensive college and get 6 figure debts, why not go to a trade school? Doing what you love is nice, but market forces still exist, and no amount of regulations can change that. People buy what they need first. We can't force people to spend money on art yet, when they need engineering first" What do you think?
        Forgeties79 4y ago
        > I always wondered that my fellow friends graduated from expensive Ivy Leagues, still have student debt and still not making more than me. Simply put? They were given a false bill of goods. We were all told that if we went to college, it would all sort itself out. Then the recession happened and all hell broke loose lol. (Half) jokes aside, the answer is a lot more complicated and I want to address more of your response, but I am not at my computer and trying to keep track of it while writing on mobile is going to make me want to give up, so I’m going to take a look at this when I’m at my computer tonight or tomorrow for sure and get back to you. Promise!