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Maybe you could share this evidence instead of sharing an anonymous assertion

by philosopher1234 5y ago

convolvatron 5y ago
i can certainly think of cases where the children and one parent are really much better off without the second
- metadat 5y ago
  Yes it happens, but isn't the rule. On average, it's ideal to have two happy, loving parents. But only on average!
  - goodpoint 5y ago
    Thinking in terms of averages and correlations should not justify absurd oversimplifications. The average human being has 1.99 eyes.
    - metadat 5y ago
      It seems you might be missing the larger point and getting hung up in pedantry. Try taking a deep breath and a step back to consider the bigger picture.
- raxxorraxor 5y ago
  I had an unstable family and a lot of patchwork in my youth. Won't recommend it. It doesn't have to be negative, but it often comes with compromises. And children aren't stupid, they can leverage the conflict of their parents, but it isn't necessarily for their best in the long run. I heavily dislike the illusionary idealism from some for something that can be quite a lot of work. The state of marriage is pretty much not relevant though. At least in my opinion.
redmen 5y ago
They basically said stable relationships are more stable than unstable relationships and you want evidence?
- Strom 5y ago
  Stable relationships are possible without marriage. Some people view these as synonyms and others see that as a clear mistake.
  - redmen 5y ago
    Oh sorry I read their comment incorrectly
dash2 5y ago
Sure. I'll also show you how, so you could do this yourself in future. I googled "stability of cohabiting couples". This led me to Wikipedia [1]. From there I hit the 2002 CDC report "Cohabitation, Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage in the United States" [2]. That provides the following statistic: "The probability of a first marriage ending in separation or divorce within 5 years is 20 percent, but the probability of a premarital cohabitation breaking up within 5 years is 49 percent. After 10 years, the probability of a first marriage ending is 33 percent, compared with 62 percent for cohabitations." I wondered if that had changed since 2002, so I hit Google Scholar and searched for articles after 2010. A 2020 article discussed cohabitation broadly. I scrolled down and found a 2018 article [3]. (There's an ungated PDF elsewhere if you need it.) They look at 8 countries including the US. Their findings: "cohabiting couples who do not subsequently transition to marriage... consistently have the highest predicted probabilities of separation within 5 years." Some of the gaps between cohabiting and married couples disappear if you control for (e.g.) education and other demographics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation#Likelihood_of_split https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation#Likelihood_of_spl... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/02news/div_mar_cohab.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/02news/div_mar_cohab.htm [3] https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/55/4/1389/167903?casa_token=aqNgBYLvouAAAAAA:E_4z93OKEVIGSK-ZxosJr7dTbjm1NXmKys8gSUkRm29jOrljrJGfX_jaYx2KTtV08L9cMsA https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/55/4/1389/167...
- Shocka1 4y ago
  It's puzzling to me that you are getting downvoted instead of responses when it seems like your comment follows the whole progressive comment Hacker News thing... Or whatever it is they are going for this week.

Maybe you could share this evidence instead of sharing an anonymous assertion

convolvatron 5y ago

i can certainly think of cases where the children and one parent are really much better off without the second

metadat 5y ago
Yes it happens, but isn't the rule. On average, it's ideal to have two happy, loving parents. But only on average!
- goodpoint 5y ago
  Thinking in terms of averages and correlations should not justify absurd oversimplifications. The average human being has 1.99 eyes.
  - metadat 5y ago
    It seems you might be missing the larger point and getting hung up in pedantry. Try taking a deep breath and a step back to consider the bigger picture.
raxxorraxor 5y ago
I had an unstable family and a lot of patchwork in my youth. Won't recommend it. It doesn't have to be negative, but it often comes with compromises. And children aren't stupid, they can leverage the conflict of their parents, but it isn't necessarily for their best in the long run. I heavily dislike the illusionary idealism from some for something that can be quite a lot of work. The state of marriage is pretty much not relevant though. At least in my opinion.

redmen 5y ago

They basically said stable relationships are more stable than unstable relationships and you want evidence?

Strom 5y ago
Stable relationships are possible without marriage. Some people view these as synonyms and others see that as a clear mistake.
- redmen 5y ago
  Oh sorry I read their comment incorrectly

dash2 5y ago

Sure. I'll also show you how, so you could do this yourself in future. I googled "stability of cohabiting couples". This led me to Wikipedia [1]. From there I hit the 2002 CDC report "Cohabitation, Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage in the United States" [2]. That provides the following statistic: "The probability of a first marriage ending in separation or divorce within 5 years is 20 percent, but the probability of a premarital cohabitation breaking up within 5 years is 49 percent. After 10 years, the probability of a first marriage ending is 33 percent, compared with 62 percent for cohabitations." I wondered if that had changed since 2002, so I hit Google Scholar and searched for articles after 2010. A 2020 article discussed cohabitation broadly. I scrolled down and found a 2018 article [3]. (There's an ungated PDF elsewhere if you need it.) They look at 8 countries including the US. Their findings: "cohabiting couples who do not subsequently transition to marriage... consistently have the highest predicted probabilities of separation within 5 years." Some of the gaps between cohabiting and married couples disappear if you control for (e.g.) education and other demographics. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation#Likelihood_of_split https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation#Likelihood_of_spl... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/02news/div_mar_cohab.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/02news/div_mar_cohab.htm [3] https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/55/4/1389/167903?casa_token=aqNgBYLvouAAAAAA:E_4z93OKEVIGSK-ZxosJr7dTbjm1NXmKys8gSUkRm29jOrljrJGfX_jaYx2KTtV08L9cMsA https://read.dukeupress.edu/demography/article/55/4/1389/167...

Shocka1 4y ago
It's puzzling to me that you are getting downvoted instead of responses when it seems like your comment follows the whole progressive comment Hacker News thing... Or whatever it is they are going for this week.