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Please stop trying to GUI-ify my terminal. I don't want all those questionable design decisions from browsers making their way into the terminal.

dragonwriter 5y ago
TUIs are much older than browsers (even older than GUIs), and while GUIs, including browsers, have taken over much of the niche, it's nice to have tools for TUIs in <preferred language>.
- merlincorey 5y ago
  One objection I have perhaps in line with the GP here is that they are literally bringing in "browser" things with Textualize -- layout is done with CSS Grid and they are actively working on supporting more and more CSS. One view of things is that means the Textualize developers were probably web developers and they wished Text UI programming was similar. The most mainstream Graphical UI on desktop that allows using CSS for layout is Electron which is basically an entire Chromium browser running a single web application with HTML, CSS, and Javascript heavily involved. Therefore, one potential "end-game" for Textualize is to add enough features that it becomes a browser itself or to be supplanted by Electron adding Text UI support.
  - BeFlatXIII 5y ago
    If they can run a large enough subset of CSS that it becomes a good enough replacement, that would be a major win if its footprint is still much smaller than Electron at that point.
animal_spirits 5y ago
No one is forcing you to use any of these tools so why should you care if others want to use them?
ASalazarMX 5y ago
As someone who experienced Turbo Pascal, For Pro LAN, QuickBasic and Norton Utilities, I'm the complete opposite of your opinion. Let people use the already vast arsenal of CLI utilities, let people who want to move eleven random files from one directory to another use Midnight Commander, let people who want graphics use the GUI, let insane people who want to combine all three have fun. There's enough UI real state for everyone.

dragonwriter 5y ago

TUIs are much older than browsers (even older than GUIs), and while GUIs, including browsers, have taken over much of the niche, it's nice to have tools for TUIs in <preferred language>.

merlincorey 5y ago
One objection I have perhaps in line with the GP here is that they are literally bringing in "browser" things with Textualize -- layout is done with CSS Grid and they are actively working on supporting more and more CSS. One view of things is that means the Textualize developers were probably web developers and they wished Text UI programming was similar. The most mainstream Graphical UI on desktop that allows using CSS for layout is Electron which is basically an entire Chromium browser running a single web application with HTML, CSS, and Javascript heavily involved. Therefore, one potential "end-game" for Textualize is to add enough features that it becomes a browser itself or to be supplanted by Electron adding Text UI support.
- BeFlatXIII 5y ago
  If they can run a large enough subset of CSS that it becomes a good enough replacement, that would be a major win if its footprint is still much smaller than Electron at that point.

animal_spirits 5y ago

No one is forcing you to use any of these tools so why should you care if others want to use them?

ASalazarMX 5y ago

As someone who experienced Turbo Pascal, For Pro LAN, QuickBasic and Norton Utilities, I'm the complete opposite of your opinion. Let people use the already vast arsenal of CLI utilities, let people who want to move eleven random files from one directory to another use Midnight Commander, let people who want graphics use the GUI, let insane people who want to combine all three have fun. There's enough UI real state for everyone.