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>Single moms outnumber single dads 5:1. People in general need more education, but much more the men. How is this relevant to your point? You might as well tur
by BlargMcLarg 5y ago
>Single moms outnumber single dads 5:1. People in general need more education, but much more the men.
How is this relevant to your point? You might as well turn it around and ask why single moms are selecting men who leave them to be baby mommies. Birth control is still accessible to many and rape isn't so omnipresent these women didn't have a choice in the matter.
>Men will need more explicit support in learning to adapt to their new societal role.
They seem to be doing just fine when society incentivizes them to "pump and dump", and they end up doing just that. Again, it takes two to tango. It's not just "teach men not to do this", which school has been doing for decades. It is also "teach women not to accept this".
>Reddit is 2/3rds male [1], so if anything we would expect more stories to be about bad women.
This implies there is an in-group bias. Can you prove that? Furthermore, can you extrapolate such an in-group bias towards the select few communities which label these men?
>But in the real world, women initiate the bulk of divorces [2]
This doesn't say anything on its own except "women initiate the bulk of divorces". Something as simple as "there is a financial incentive for women to divorce men" or "men are more attached to their relationships than women" can just as easily counteract the premise and require further investigation.
>And men are more likely to be the kind of bad partner who, say, turns murdery [3]
And filicide is rising among women while dropping for men, with women being the primary offenders[0]. See, it's pretty easy to pull a statistic from a site which supports your PoV and paint a broad stroke. Just teach those darn girls not to kill their kids!
But really, just look at your source: what does it say of the total population? How many cases are there? How many "male perpetrators" are there in the total male population? Do I think as well of the source I randomly pulled? Of course not, it is so extremely superficial it says nothing of why this is happening.
The premise rests on some "look, men are most on X, so this needs to be educated on!" despite the actual numbers and reflection in the whole population. If that were really the problem, you could teach women to practice less filicide, less bullying, and more.
Worse, by focusing on men alone, you're creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that men are inherently bad or worse, instead of treating them like people. How someone who supports "dismantling the patriarchy" in name of having women be seen as people advocates this, is beyond me.
>So I think my inference that men are on average the worse partner and need more help is reasonable.
I think it's more reasonable to infer you're pressing an agenda by presenting information and then retroactively fitting your rationality into it. These things aren't saying what you think they are, and to come to such extreme conclusions is diminutive to men, women and humans as a whole. Nor do I believe you're helping women as much as you think you are by spreading this information.
>Ah yes, think of the men!
And everyone else. There's no need to be this reductionist. Again, it takes two to tango.
[0]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-08/mothers-murdering-their-children-on-the-rise-domestic-filicide/10793162 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-08/mothers-murdering-the...
- wpietri 5y ago> pressing an agenda by presenting information and then retroactively fitting your rationality into it Healer, heal thyself. I'm pretty clear about my agenda, and have been for a long time. As the Hindus put it, "May all beings everywhere be happy and free." One specific application of that is helping to end patriarchy, the millennia-old system of oppression of women. You certainly have a facility for objecting so much to every twig and branch so that you don't even glimpse the forest. And obviously, I can't make you see the it, so I won't try. But just so it's clear for others, I think patriarchy is also damaging to men and that they especially need education in coping with a post-patriarchal world. It was certainly a struggle for me to throw off a lot of that nonsense. Women need less help, especially these days, because a) a lot of that education has taken place starting with the suffragettes, and b) a lot of the post-patriarchal changes for them are ones of increasing opportunity, and so are easier to adapt to.