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As a middle-aged man who's been studying this stuff for a while, I'd like to throw in my observations. We are in a Masculine Crisis, and both men and women are
by 21723 4y ago
As a middle-aged man who's been studying this stuff for a while, I'd like to throw in my observations.
We are in a Masculine Crisis, and both men and women are suffering, because gender isn't zero-sum, and a society that damages men is just as harmful to heterosexual women, who struggle to find men. Late-stage capitalism's breakdown of the family (which it molded into a bourgeois form, then let rot) happened in black communities about 40 years before it started to hit rural whites. This makes it hard to sympathize with the so-called "white working class", who clutched their pearls and moralized and showed no sympathy at all when this dysfunction was hitting blacks in Detroit, half a century ago.
What is a Masculine Crisis? Well, I think this sentence hits it straight on:
Some of the jobs he can get don’t pay enough to give him the self-respect he feels he needs, and others require him to get along with unpleasant customers and coworkers, and to maintain a submissive attitude toward the boss.
When you tell men that the only way to be masculine is to "provide", and then deprive them of all means to provide except to subject oneself to the whims of a high-status person--a person given that status not on merit but simple random accidents of heredity--you leave them without a decent choice at all. Not playing is no option (a man must "provide") but every play is a losing one (the requisite self-emasculation of subordination). Whether this is a condition of low expectations (society has given up on men) or high ones (as workplace pressures mount, due to the erosion of worker's rights and dignity) is irrelevant; either way, it shuts people down.
Of course, the experience is pretty awful for women, too. Work, for 95% of people in this society, is just horrid. No one should have to do stupid shit to survive--I hope we can agree on that. I just don't think this particular social ill is as gutting for women as it is for men.
When it comes to the Masculine Crisis, we on the left are really missing the opportunity. Ex falso quodlibet; principle of (possibly literal) explosion. When no options exist for someone, he tends to make one. I'm not an accelerationist of any kind (leftist or rightist) but acceleration is happening. Alas, the left is so deep in the cul-de-sac of gender being entirely socially constructed (which is not true) and therefore meaningless (which it's not) that they can't figure out how to operate in this environment. So, instead, the Masculine Crisis is left to be exploited by the center-right (Jordan Peterson) or worse, the actual fascists.
Conditions like this produce war. Why? Because five thousand years of human history have produced exactly one situation in which a man can be subordinate and still accept himself as a man--to pick up a weapon and join an army of some kind. Mind you, I don't want war; I'm staunchly against it except as a last resort. However, conditions like those in the modern workplace (except for those born into hereditary wealth) are at such a level as to throw young men into hopelessness... and they will often do anything for those who promise any kind of hope, no matter false.
- raxxorraxor 4y agoI never bought the argument that men are struggling with their masculinity. I was surprised that this even became a topic in tech where programming nerds already have written off being masculine, as classically associated with shooting guns instead of pointers. Basically doing the opposite than pondering in your faculty in your jesus slippers. But I never had the impression anyone took that to heart seriously. Income is very relevant though and the most honest appreciation of your work and there is a development in a negative direction. This does hit women even worse from my experience though. But your point still holds truth, instead of lamenting masculinity (very few people care) perhaps "the left" should reorient itself to actually improve working conditions and most importantly wages. I think Jordan Petersen can improve himself even more if he would clean my room too, but I believe many people do like him because it signals rejection of detached gender topics in general and there just so many venues for that. Because people don't care about it just as they don't care about their masculinity. Their pay check however is another matter. Furthermore the problems in the workplace are not just monetary. Work is more compacted, surveillance is increasing, stress is increasing because of 24/7 connectivity... and now they have to put their pronouns in their signatures? You might get a wave of rejection for that after some point.
- 21723 4y agoBut your point still holds truth, instead of lamenting masculinity (very few people care) perhaps "the left" should reorient itself to actually improve working conditions and most importantly wages. I largely agree. The left's real mission is unifying, not divisive. (The corporate "woke" left is a ruse designed to divide people against each other by emphasizing identity politics and de-emphasizing class, money, and systemic effects.) I only point out (or, at least, purport) the existence of a Masculine Crisis because I think it is real enough for people like Peterson and Carlson to capitalize on. Society still tells men they have to "provide" and heterosexual women still expect them to, and if the only way to do so is to humiliate themselves, that's a historically dangerous situation.