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There's more detail on her wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bågenholm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bågenholm These are the tidbits I f

by js2 5y ago

There's more detail on her wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bågenholm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Bågenholm These are the tidbits I found most interesting: > A team of more than a hundred doctors and nurses worked in shifts for nine hours to save her life. Bågenholm woke up ten days after the accident, paralyzed from the neck down and subsequently spent two months recovering in an intensive care unit. Although she has made an almost full recovery from the incident, late in 2009 she was still suffering from minor symptoms in hands and feet related to nerve injury. > "Her body had time to cool down completely before the heart stopped. Her brain was so cold when the heart stopped that the brain cells needed very little oxygen, so the brain could survive for quite a prolonged time." > "victims of very deep accidental hypothermia with circulatory arrest should be seen as potentially resuscitable with a prospect of full recovery. The key success factors of such marginal resuscitation efforts are early bystander actions with vigorous CPR and early warning of the emergency system, early dispatch of adequate rescue units (ground and air-ambulances) and good co-ordination between the resources outside and inside the hospital, aggressive rewarming and a spirit not to give up." > Bågenholm [upon waking paralyzed] feared she would spend the rest of her life on her back, and was angry with her colleagues for saving her. Bågenholm soon recovered from the paralysis, however, and later apologized to her friends; "I was very irritated when I realized they had saved me. I feared a meaningless life, without any dignity. Now I am very happy to be alive and want to apologize."

ever1 5y ago
Thanks, the temperatures in the article means nothing for those who don't speak Fahrenheit...
- DougMellon 5y ago
  56.7F = 13.7C
- kurthr 5y ago
  Because 12C ~ 21F there are some convenient temperatures to interpolate between. of course 0C = 32F and -40C = -40F but also (within a degree F): 04C = 40F 16C = 61F 28C = 82F 40C = 104F note that the last two digits are always reversed. below 0C they get less useful -08C = 18F -19C =-1.9F -31C = -23F
  - js2 5y ago
    Interesting strategy. I long ago memorized 20C = 68F and then adjust in increments of 5/9, which works well enough for the range of temperatures I consider habitable. I've gotten so good at this I once translated on the fly between some fellow American and European runners during a marathon. :-)
  - rags2riches 5y ago
    "When it's springtime in Alaska, it's forty below". That's all I have managed to memorize about temperature conversion so far in my life.
js2 5y ago
As to the first point, the cost of this care had to be in the millions, or would be in the U.S. anyway. My MIL recently had extended care due to a fall and the bill was $500K. Fortunately after Medicare, cost to her was $1300. In any case, it's still an extraordinary allocation of resources to save one life. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Norway: > Expenditure on healthcare is about 7,727 USD per person per year in 2020, among the highest in the world. While the availability of public healthcare is universal in Norway, there are certain payment stipulations. Children aged sixteen or younger, and several other groups (such as nursing women and retirees) are given free healthcare regardless of the coverage they may have had in previous situations. All other citizens are responsible for paying a certain amount in user fees. If they reach a certain amount of money paid out-of-pocket, they receive an exemption card (frikort for helsetjenester in Norwegian) for public health services, and they no longer have to pay user fees for the remainder of the calendar year. The amount is 2460 NOK in 2021, or about 264 USD. Everything above this amount is given for free for the rest of that year. She went on to become a radiologist so probably pays a decent amount in taxes now. As well, as a radiologist, she now helps to care for others. But still, she'll never "pay back" what was expended on saving her life. I'm not trying to make any point here, other than that humans are weird in how we allocate resources to each other. Edit to add: I didn't mean to spawn a whole conversation about U.S. vs European healthcare, and my point above is not well made. I'm just lamenting how 100 humans will come together to save one life while we still allow over a half million people a year to die from malaria. You'll see a dozen humans rescue a dog during a flood while I don't even want to look up the number of dogs that are euthanized. How the world came together to save those kids from the Thai cave, but we can't collectively figure out how to deal compassionately with immigrants. I know we're just doing the best we can as a species. But I can still be both amazed by a symphony orchestra and sad that we use those same brains to build F-22s. Also, FWIW, as a U.S. citizen, my vote is for Medicare For All, or failing that, a price-regulated multi-payer system like Germany's.
- mint2 5y ago
  The high cost difference part is remarkable but the “she’ll never pay it back” part seems to me like observing a mega millions lottery winner will never pay back the prize money with future ticket purchases. Isn’t that the whole point of the lottery or health insurance? Getting a benefit that society as a whole can afford but no reasonable individual can.
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by js2 5y ago

ever1 5y ago

Thanks, the temperatures in the article means nothing for those who don't speak Fahrenheit...

DougMellon 5y ago
56.7F = 13.7C
kurthr 5y ago
Because 12C ~ 21F there are some convenient temperatures to interpolate between. of course 0C = 32F and -40C = -40F but also (within a degree F): 04C = 40F 16C = 61F 28C = 82F 40C = 104F note that the last two digits are always reversed. below 0C they get less useful -08C = 18F -19C =-1.9F -31C = -23F
- js2 5y ago
  Interesting strategy. I long ago memorized 20C = 68F and then adjust in increments of 5/9, which works well enough for the range of temperatures I consider habitable. I've gotten so good at this I once translated on the fly between some fellow American and European runners during a marathon. :-)
- rags2riches 5y ago
  "When it's springtime in Alaska, it's forty below". That's all I have managed to memorize about temperature conversion so far in my life.

js2 5y ago

As to the first point, the cost of this care had to be in the millions, or would be in the U.S. anyway. My MIL recently had extended care due to a fall and the bill was $500K. Fortunately after Medicare, cost to her was $1300. In any case, it's still an extraordinary allocation of resources to save one life. According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Norway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Norway: > Expenditure on healthcare is about 7,727 USD per person per year in 2020, among the highest in the world. While the availability of public healthcare is universal in Norway, there are certain payment stipulations. Children aged sixteen or younger, and several other groups (such as nursing women and retirees) are given free healthcare regardless of the coverage they may have had in previous situations. All other citizens are responsible for paying a certain amount in user fees. If they reach a certain amount of money paid out-of-pocket, they receive an exemption card (frikort for helsetjenester in Norwegian) for public health services, and they no longer have to pay user fees for the remainder of the calendar year. The amount is 2460 NOK in 2021, or about 264 USD. Everything above this amount is given for free for the rest of that year. She went on to become a radiologist so probably pays a decent amount in taxes now. As well, as a radiologist, she now helps to care for others. But still, she'll never "pay back" what was expended on saving her life. I'm not trying to make any point here, other than that humans are weird in how we allocate resources to each other. Edit to add: I didn't mean to spawn a whole conversation about U.S. vs European healthcare, and my point above is not well made. I'm just lamenting how 100 humans will come together to save one life while we still allow over a half million people a year to die from malaria. You'll see a dozen humans rescue a dog during a flood while I don't even want to look up the number of dogs that are euthanized. How the world came together to save those kids from the Thai cave, but we can't collectively figure out how to deal compassionately with immigrants. I know we're just doing the best we can as a species. But I can still be both amazed by a symphony orchestra and sad that we use those same brains to build F-22s. Also, FWIW, as a U.S. citizen, my vote is for Medicare For All, or failing that, a price-regulated multi-payer system like Germany's.

mint2 5y ago
The high cost difference part is remarkable but the “she’ll never pay it back” part seems to me like observing a mega millions lottery winner will never pay back the prize money with future ticket purchases. Isn’t that the whole point of the lottery or health insurance? Getting a benefit that society as a whole can afford but no reasonable individual can.

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