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Sure r/childfree has lots of this sort. They often seem a bit too into being childfree to me, I probably wouldn't like their shitty kids anyway. There's an opp

Sure r/childfree has lots of this sort. They often seem a bit too into being childfree to me, I probably wouldn't like their shitty kids anyway. There's an opportunity cost for most life decisions. Sometimes they're obscured. It's often not presented this way but for a cohort of women university and work, displaces marriage and children.

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iratewizard 4y ago
Children born from Reddit addicts are the over-socialized version of crack babies.
filoleg 4y ago
Imo r/childfree to normal people who just don't want to have kids is like r/atheism to normal people who just happen to not be religious. Both subs are absolutely insufferable, even to many of those who align with them on the core premise. It feels like a lot of users there, instead of replacing all that time/effort/money spending (that comes with having kids) with a bunch of fun/useful/exciting things to do in life, they end up replacing it with "not having kids is my personality and the ultimate activity". I agree with the core premise of both (not religious, don't want to ever have kids), but i ended up completely filtering out both subreddits. Even opening a random post from those subs on r/all is like stepping into some children- and parent-hating alternate reality cesspool, where their choice is the only "obvious" choice, and everyone else is "brainwashed" or an idiot.
- Zababa 4y ago
  > Imo r/childfree to normal people who just don't want to have kids is like r/atheism to normal people who just happen to not be religious. Both subs are absolutely insufferable, even to many of those who align with them on the core premise. That's an important point. I'm in the "people that just happen to be not religious" group, some people around me are religious and we have no issues getting along. These subreddits are based on a total rejection of "live and let live".
kixiQu 4y ago
College-educated women are more likely to marry. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08/19/the-most-educated-women-are-the-most-likely-to-be-married/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08...
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  And yet they don’t date down, so they can’t find partners (as there is not an equal amount of educated, high earning, high status males). https://theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-hook-up-culture-female-graduates https://theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-... https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-gender-gap-in-marriages-between-college-educated-partners https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-gender-gap-in-marriages-betwe... https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/01/business/college-gender-gap-has-transformed-dating-world/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/01/business/college-gend... (“College educated gender gap” are the search keywords for more info on the topic)
  - kixiQu 4y ago
    This is what anecdotally feels true to people but isn't what the data suggest: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm#BLS_table-6 https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divor... Even in the Guardian piece you're linking there: > To me, looking at the demographic data, it doesn’t seem that there is a widespread aversion to forming serious relationships [across educational lines] – there are more and more relationships in which women have more education than their male partners.” > She doesn’t see large numbers of educated women holding out for an educated partner, and remaining unhappily single, in other words. In the Pew piece linked from there, > The primary reason for the decline in the share of married couples with similar education levels is that marriages between spouses with high school or less than high school education are much less common these days — the share is down from 74% of all marriages in 1960 to 24% in 2012. In addition, adults with high school or less education are much less likely to marry. The marriage rate among this group plummeted —from 72% in 1960 to 46% in 2012. > Just the opposite has occurred among college graduates. The share of couples in which both spouses have a college degree has risen steadily in recent decades. In 1960, only 3% of couples were in this group, the share rose to 22% in 2012. Framing a decrease in marriage as "for a cohort of women university and work, displaces marriage and children", what I was responding to, is simply not supported by the data. The decrease in overall marriage is disproportionately due to the non-college-educated. Getting a university degree increases a woman's likelihood of marriage.
shapefrog 4y ago
> They often seem a bit too into being childfree to me, I probably wouldn't like their shitty kids anyway. You seem a bit too into being childfull, I probably wouldn't like your shitty kids anyway.
- AvocadoPanic 4y ago
  I'm not advocating for more people to have kids. I see people everyday that probably shouldn't have. But if couples want to, it's doesn't have to be the financial catastrophe that many make it out to be.
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    I am on 100% with you on that, sadly the modern connected world has broken peoples brains. The pressure of living up to the "mom/dad" in the bio on your social media coupled with the cripplng fear of buying the wrong pram or not enough toys and fucking your child up for life has spawned an industry that is happy to facilitate the drive toward that financial catastrophe.

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iratewizard 4y ago

Children born from Reddit addicts are the over-socialized version of crack babies.

filoleg 4y ago

Imo r/childfree to normal people who just don't want to have kids is like r/atheism to normal people who just happen to not be religious. Both subs are absolutely insufferable, even to many of those who align with them on the core premise. It feels like a lot of users there, instead of replacing all that time/effort/money spending (that comes with having kids) with a bunch of fun/useful/exciting things to do in life, they end up replacing it with "not having kids is my personality and the ultimate activity". I agree with the core premise of both (not religious, don't want to ever have kids), but i ended up completely filtering out both subreddits. Even opening a random post from those subs on r/all is like stepping into some children- and parent-hating alternate reality cesspool, where their choice is the only "obvious" choice, and everyone else is "brainwashed" or an idiot.

Zababa 4y ago
> Imo r/childfree to normal people who just don't want to have kids is like r/atheism to normal people who just happen to not be religious. Both subs are absolutely insufferable, even to many of those who align with them on the core premise. That's an important point. I'm in the "people that just happen to be not religious" group, some people around me are religious and we have no issues getting along. These subreddits are based on a total rejection of "live and let live".

kixiQu 4y ago

College-educated women are more likely to marry. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08/19/the-most-educated-women-are-the-most-likely-to-be-married/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2016/08...

toomuchtodo 4y ago
And yet they don’t date down, so they can’t find partners (as there is not an equal amount of educated, high earning, high status males). https://theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-hook-up-culture-female-graduates https://theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/nov/10/dating-gap-... https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-gender-gap-in-marriages-between-college-educated-partners https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-gender-gap-in-marriages-betwe... https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/01/business/college-gender-gap-has-transformed-dating-world/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/04/01/business/college-gend... (“College educated gender gap” are the search keywords for more info on the topic)
- kixiQu 4y ago
  This is what anecdotally feels true to people but isn't what the data suggest: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divorce-patterns-by-gender-race-and-educational-attainment.htm#BLS_table-6 https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/article/marriage-and-divor... Even in the Guardian piece you're linking there: > To me, looking at the demographic data, it doesn’t seem that there is a widespread aversion to forming serious relationships [across educational lines] – there are more and more relationships in which women have more education than their male partners.” > She doesn’t see large numbers of educated women holding out for an educated partner, and remaining unhappily single, in other words. In the Pew piece linked from there, > The primary reason for the decline in the share of married couples with similar education levels is that marriages between spouses with high school or less than high school education are much less common these days — the share is down from 74% of all marriages in 1960 to 24% in 2012. In addition, adults with high school or less education are much less likely to marry. The marriage rate among this group plummeted —from 72% in 1960 to 46% in 2012. > Just the opposite has occurred among college graduates. The share of couples in which both spouses have a college degree has risen steadily in recent decades. In 1960, only 3% of couples were in this group, the share rose to 22% in 2012. Framing a decrease in marriage as "for a cohort of women university and work, displaces marriage and children", what I was responding to, is simply not supported by the data. The decrease in overall marriage is disproportionately due to the non-college-educated. Getting a university degree increases a woman's likelihood of marriage.

shapefrog 4y ago

> They often seem a bit too into being childfree to me, I probably wouldn't like their shitty kids anyway. You seem a bit too into being childfull, I probably wouldn't like your shitty kids anyway.

AvocadoPanic 4y ago
I'm not advocating for more people to have kids. I see people everyday that probably shouldn't have. But if couples want to, it's doesn't have to be the financial catastrophe that many make it out to be.
- shapefrog 4y ago
  I am on 100% with you on that, sadly the modern connected world has broken peoples brains. The pressure of living up to the "mom/dad" in the bio on your social media coupled with the cripplng fear of buying the wrong pram or not enough toys and fucking your child up for life has spawned an industry that is happy to facilitate the drive toward that financial catastrophe.