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FTR I've migrated from Google Apps to Migadu and I'm pretty happy with them but I must say the "acceptable use" clause also raised my suspicion. I guess they do

FTR I've migrated from Google Apps to Migadu and I'm pretty happy with them but I must say the "acceptable use" clause also raised my suspicion. I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" they will trigger the termination. Which, to be honest, happens with other providers even if that's not in the ToS (see Cloudflare case).

Normille 4y ago
>I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" Maybe they don't. But, as I said in another comment, I'd prefer not to depend on what I think they mean, when they might actually mean something else. Besides, as I said in the original post who decides what is 'socially acceptable'? It's not too long ago that being gay or trans might have been construed as 'socially unacceptable'. Who decides what's 'Nazi'? Vlad the Mad seems to think he's liberating Ukraine from Nazis. The west seems to think he's the goose-stepper. A sizeable number of commenters on HN have been accused of being Nazis, coz they disagreed with someone else. Who decides what's immoral? That's probably the vaguest one of the lot. Morality is an individual thing. I'm sure there are things I'd consider immoral that you wouldn't and vice versa. Nope. I don't care what the mechanics of the censuring process are. But I know I don't want to trust my correspondence to a company which sets itself up as an arbitrator of social acceptability and morality. Imagine if your snail mail postman opened your letters and refused to deliver any he didn't approve of.
- pcmaffey 4y ago
  More like if you send hate mail to someone and they complain to the post office, then the post office will stop sending your mail.
- Reitet00 4y ago
  > I don't care what the mechanics of the censuring process are. But I know I don't want to trust my correspondence to a company which sets itself up as an arbitrator of social acceptability and morality. Then your only choice is self hosting because the provider can, and will, enforce any rules that they deem necessary even if they don't put it in the ToS explicitly (usually hidden behind "ToS can change at any time" clause). I've given the Cloudflare/Nazi case as an example.

Normille 4y ago

>I guess they don't scan your email automatically but when someone brings to their attention that you're using the service for "unacceptable things" Maybe they don't. But, as I said in another comment, I'd prefer not to depend on what I think they mean, when they might actually mean something else. Besides, as I said in the original post who decides what is 'socially acceptable'? It's not too long ago that being gay or trans might have been construed as 'socially unacceptable'. Who decides what's 'Nazi'? Vlad the Mad seems to think he's liberating Ukraine from Nazis. The west seems to think he's the goose-stepper. A sizeable number of commenters on HN have been accused of being Nazis, coz they disagreed with someone else. Who decides what's immoral? That's probably the vaguest one of the lot. Morality is an individual thing. I'm sure there are things I'd consider immoral that you wouldn't and vice versa. Nope. I don't care what the mechanics of the censuring process are. But I know I don't want to trust my correspondence to a company which sets itself up as an arbitrator of social acceptability and morality. Imagine if your snail mail postman opened your letters and refused to deliver any he didn't approve of.

pcmaffey 4y ago
More like if you send hate mail to someone and they complain to the post office, then the post office will stop sending your mail.
Reitet00 4y ago
> I don't care what the mechanics of the censuring process are. But I know I don't want to trust my correspondence to a company which sets itself up as an arbitrator of social acceptability and morality. Then your only choice is self hosting because the provider can, and will, enforce any rules that they deem necessary even if they don't put it in the ToS explicitly (usually hidden behind "ToS can change at any time" clause). I've given the Cloudflare/Nazi case as an example.