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>if you want uptake, you need to support what user's want Before the iPhone no one knew they wanted a good camera and "apps" on their phone. See the important

by nix23 5y ago

>if you want uptake, you need to support what user's want Before the iPhone no one knew they wanted a good camera and "apps" on their phone. See the important point here -> "knew they wanted"

lelanthran 5y ago
> >if you want uptake, you need to support what user's want > Before the iPhone no one knew they wanted a good camera and "apps" on their phone. > See the important point here -> "knew they wanted" Haskell has been around now for something like 25 years. You'd have a point if the iPhone was unpopular for 25 years before users finally decided to like it. It wasn't. Users saw the iPhone and wanted it the minute they saw it. Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it.
- nix23 5y ago
  >Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it. I really don't know why you think that true: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry And i really don't know why you speak for "programmers", just speak for yourself...maybe?
  - lelanthran 5y ago
    >> Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it. > I really don't know why you think that true: Because it doesn't show up any any metric as having significant usage. A list of 100 companies using it doesn't make the hundreds of millions of other companies not using it go away.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Your argumentation is just completely wrong, you think that "significant usage" is some kind of "quality". You try to argue that a hammer and a screwdriver are of significant usage, when i fact the best tool for the job is a scalpel. FWI HN was not written in JavaScript or PHP but you can lookup that for yourself.
      - lelanthran 5y ago
        > Your argumentation is just completely wrong, you think that "significant usage" is some kind of "quality". Nowhere did I claim that - you're reading things I did not say. Claiming that something is rejected by everyone does not make any statement on the quality of that thing. [EDIT: It's kinda common knowledge that Haskell is barely used in industry. I cannot remember coming across a single non-academic programmer in the workplace who actually wanted to use it, other than myself]
        nix23 5y ago
        >rejected by everyone It should be clear now, that this is a wrong statement.
        lelanthran 5y ago
        >> rejected by everyone > It should be clear now, that this is a wrong statement. You're correct - it's rejected by roughly 999 out of every thousand programmers.
- physPop 5y ago
  Say it with me: right tool for the right job. Not every language should try to solve every problem. And not every problem is nicely solvable in every language. By your definitions any language other than what, C and js is "unpopular" and "Rejected by the industry" ?
  - lelanthran 5y ago
    > Say it with me: right tool for the right job. Not every language should try to solve every problem. And not every problem is nicely solvable in every language. By your definitions any language other than what, C and js is "unpopular" and "Rejected by the industry" ? I literally claimed otherwise, elsethread > It's a reflection of what the programmers want. Apparently they wanted syntax with braces and semicolons. Javascript, C, C++, C#, Python and Java have seen and are still seeing heavy use in the industry. Go has gotten traction too, now. Any language that can be seen on a common metric to be more than low single-digits (and, in some cases, fractions) of a percentage can be safely said to be "used in industry". I cannot think of any survey amongst programmers which shows Haskell usage outside of 1%-3%.
    - nix23 5y ago
      I have no idea why you think you speak for "the industry", you maybe live in a bubble but fortran, cobol and haskell are alive and well...remember, the right tool for the job.

by nix23 5y ago

>if you want uptake, you need to support what user's want Before the iPhone no one knew they wanted a good camera and "apps" on their phone. See the important point here -> "knew they wanted"

lelanthran 5y ago

> >if you want uptake, you need to support what user's want > Before the iPhone no one knew they wanted a good camera and "apps" on their phone. > See the important point here -> "knew they wanted" Haskell has been around now for something like 25 years. You'd have a point if the iPhone was unpopular for 25 years before users finally decided to like it. It wasn't. Users saw the iPhone and wanted it the minute they saw it. Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it.

nix23 5y ago
>Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it. I really don't know why you think that true: https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_in_industry And i really don't know why you speak for "programmers", just speak for yourself...maybe?
- lelanthran 5y ago
  >> Programmers have been looking at Haskell for 25 years and rejecting it. > I really don't know why you think that true: Because it doesn't show up any any metric as having significant usage. A list of 100 companies using it doesn't make the hundreds of millions of other companies not using it go away.
  - nix23 5y ago
    Your argumentation is just completely wrong, you think that "significant usage" is some kind of "quality". You try to argue that a hammer and a screwdriver are of significant usage, when i fact the best tool for the job is a scalpel. FWI HN was not written in JavaScript or PHP but you can lookup that for yourself.
    - lelanthran 5y ago
      > Your argumentation is just completely wrong, you think that "significant usage" is some kind of "quality". Nowhere did I claim that - you're reading things I did not say. Claiming that something is rejected by everyone does not make any statement on the quality of that thing. [EDIT: It's kinda common knowledge that Haskell is barely used in industry. I cannot remember coming across a single non-academic programmer in the workplace who actually wanted to use it, other than myself]
      - nix23 5y ago
        >rejected by everyone It should be clear now, that this is a wrong statement.
        lelanthran 5y ago
        >> rejected by everyone > It should be clear now, that this is a wrong statement. You're correct - it's rejected by roughly 999 out of every thousand programmers.
physPop 5y ago
Say it with me: right tool for the right job. Not every language should try to solve every problem. And not every problem is nicely solvable in every language. By your definitions any language other than what, C and js is "unpopular" and "Rejected by the industry" ?
- lelanthran 5y ago
  > Say it with me: right tool for the right job. Not every language should try to solve every problem. And not every problem is nicely solvable in every language. By your definitions any language other than what, C and js is "unpopular" and "Rejected by the industry" ? I literally claimed otherwise, elsethread > It's a reflection of what the programmers want. Apparently they wanted syntax with braces and semicolons. Javascript, C, C++, C#, Python and Java have seen and are still seeing heavy use in the industry. Go has gotten traction too, now. Any language that can be seen on a common metric to be more than low single-digits (and, in some cases, fractions) of a percentage can be safely said to be "used in industry". I cannot think of any survey amongst programmers which shows Haskell usage outside of 1%-3%.
  - nix23 5y ago
    I have no idea why you think you speak for "the industry", you maybe live in a bubble but fortran, cobol and haskell are alive and well...remember, the right tool for the job.