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Early US immigrants were pioneers wanting to carve a civilization on new continent. Would you consider the rule of law as a cornerstone of our national heritag

Early US immigrants were pioneers wanting to carve a civilization on new continent. Would you consider the rule of law as a cornerstone of our national heritage? So many of today's immigrants seem to have little regard, evidenced by their illegal entry.

igetspam 4y ago
Like the Irish? Or the Chinese? Or the Italians? They came here as pioneers? Or did they come looking for something better than what they were offered? Remember, we treated them like shit too. Maybe hating immigrants is a corner-stone of America... There are opportunists everywhere. I'm sure not everyone coming from our southern border is going to be someone I want in my neighborhood but that doesn't mean so many people aren't just looking for an escape from danger. Would you break a law to save your own life? To protect your family? Is penalizing people in these circumstances truly just? Does it make you a good person?
- AvocadoPanic 4y ago
  I was thinking of Germans from the Palatinate... The Irish and Italians often had the full weight of law enforcement countering their illegal activities. There was also lots of social pressure to assimilate. It's hard to say, we'd need to do a deep dive on each. Pretty sure thats not happening. Absent that, yes I'm happy to exclude them.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    The Irish _became_ law enforcement, unflattering nicknames for the Black Maria notwithstanding
JaimeThompson 4y ago
It's strange that those who knowingly break the laws to hire them aren't punished at nearly the rate they immigrants are, isn't it? Why are we so willing to give that subgroup a pass on ignoring the rule of law?
- AvocadoPanic 4y ago
  I don't know that we are. I recall large enforcement actions against employers by previous administrations. Why was / is there such resistance to mandating e-verify for more employers?

igetspam 4y ago

Like the Irish? Or the Chinese? Or the Italians? They came here as pioneers? Or did they come looking for something better than what they were offered? Remember, we treated them like shit too. Maybe hating immigrants is a corner-stone of America... There are opportunists everywhere. I'm sure not everyone coming from our southern border is going to be someone I want in my neighborhood but that doesn't mean so many people aren't just looking for an escape from danger. Would you break a law to save your own life? To protect your family? Is penalizing people in these circumstances truly just? Does it make you a good person?

AvocadoPanic 4y ago
I was thinking of Germans from the Palatinate... The Irish and Italians often had the full weight of law enforcement countering their illegal activities. There was also lots of social pressure to assimilate. It's hard to say, we'd need to do a deep dive on each. Pretty sure thats not happening. Absent that, yes I'm happy to exclude them.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  The Irish _became_ law enforcement, unflattering nicknames for the Black Maria notwithstanding

JaimeThompson 4y ago

It's strange that those who knowingly break the laws to hire them aren't punished at nearly the rate they immigrants are, isn't it? Why are we so willing to give that subgroup a pass on ignoring the rule of law?

AvocadoPanic 4y ago
I don't know that we are. I recall large enforcement actions against employers by previous administrations. Why was / is there such resistance to mandating e-verify for more employers?