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> basic general principle that men will do whatever is required in order to obtain sex, and perhaps not a great deal more. (One of us characterized this in a p

> basic general principle that men will do whatever is required in order to obtain sex, and perhaps not a great deal more. (One of us characterized this in a previous work as, ‘If women would stop sleeping with jerks, men would stop being jerks.’) This makes it sound like it is just men who need sex and have to do things to get it. One would think that everybody needs sex and thus women need it too. And it would stand to reason that the less fortunate women would need sex and be not able to get it easily and thus have to resort to sleeping with jerks and raising kids as a single mother. So just saying women should stop sleeping with jerks is not really a practical thing. If anything good men should be expected to sleep with not so fortunate women to cut the jerks out of the equation ;) Kidding aside this is a very complex problem and the article trivializes it - education, assistance to kids in need(mental/physical health, financial, foster care), providing compatible opportunities and then setting expectations will make a dent in this problem. And then there are just incompatible people doing stupid things that should be left to their devices and outcomes - there is no fixing willful idiocy. But what social policies need to do is provide a way out for anyone who wants it.

nikanj 4y ago
But do women have to do things to get sex? Not high-quality, eligible-bachelor sex, but just sex in general?
- foogazi 4y ago
  They just spread their legs right ? /s
- floodle 4y ago
  I think the typical lens is that women are trying to avoid the costs associated with casual sex. Traditionally women paid the lion's share of costs: shame, isolation, the financial and physical burdens of an unwanted child, etc.
ratww 4y ago
What does "less fortunate women" mean specifically? Looks? Desirability? That assumption would mean that the group of "more fortunate" women don't really have problem with jerks, which I don't really see as being true.
- blinkingled 4y ago
  Yes, many things play into who is desirable but essentially physical characteristics, skin color whatever else society influences upon you as being desirable. More fortunate women do obviously have problem with jerks and some of them may have a preference even but the difference is that they have options that the less fortunate ones don't or at least not to the same extent. The single black mother problem is illustrative of what I am trying to say here. (Not making any generalizations or making the case that they are unattractive but merely pointing out that number of complicated reasons including being perceived as less desirable contribute towards the overall problem.)
- solenoidalslide 4y ago

nikanj 4y ago

But do women have to do things to get sex? Not high-quality, eligible-bachelor sex, but just sex in general?

foogazi 4y ago
They just spread their legs right ? /s
floodle 4y ago
I think the typical lens is that women are trying to avoid the costs associated with casual sex. Traditionally women paid the lion's share of costs: shame, isolation, the financial and physical burdens of an unwanted child, etc.

ratww 4y ago

What does "less fortunate women" mean specifically? Looks? Desirability? That assumption would mean that the group of "more fortunate" women don't really have problem with jerks, which I don't really see as being true.

blinkingled 4y ago
Yes, many things play into who is desirable but essentially physical characteristics, skin color whatever else society influences upon you as being desirable. More fortunate women do obviously have problem with jerks and some of them may have a preference even but the difference is that they have options that the less fortunate ones don't or at least not to the same extent. The single black mother problem is illustrative of what I am trying to say here. (Not making any generalizations or making the case that they are unattractive but merely pointing out that number of complicated reasons including being perceived as less desirable contribute towards the overall problem.)
solenoidalslide 4y ago