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You misunderstand my statement. I didn't mean that "every invasion is by russian people", I meant that "when russia invades, it's the russian people doing the i

You misunderstand my statement. I didn't mean that "every invasion is by russian people", I meant that "when russia invades, it's the russian people doing the invasion not their leaders".

inkyoto 5y ago
Top political leadership physically heading the country's troops in the battlefield has been unheard of since medieval ages, as this role has been delegated to the military commandership and to the army it commands long since then. Therefore I find it illogical to award the term of «statement» to the way you have chained an aggregation of words as it does not parse as a semantically or a historically valid «statement» to me. > it's the russian people doing the invasion Are you singling out ethnically Russian people only and are declaring that the Russian invading force in Ukraine is comprised of 100% ethnically Russian solders, or you refer to Russian citizens instead? Russia is an ethnically diverse country and is home to 193 ethnic groups nationwide, and there are soldiers in the Russian invading force who happen to be ethnically Ukrainian.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  I don't know what ethnics has to do with it. If it waves the flag it's of the nation. Russia is a nation of russian people. A nation with a history of illegal invasion of its peaceful neighbors, including mine.
  - inkyoto 5y ago
    > A nation with a history of illegal invasion of its peaceful neighbors, including mine. Historical facts prove you otherwise. Historically, Russia has been far more often on the receiving end of illegal invasions (I have not even attempted to count the number of innumerable skirmishes) from "peaceful" neighbours – a major invasion every 47.2 years on average between 1237 and 1945, which is something I have pointed out before with a list of reference points to each major invasion.
    - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
      You haven't proven otherwise. You've simply pointed out a different fact. Russia being frequently on the receieving end doesn't somehow annul the fact that it has a history of dishing out its own invasions. That's like saying the Sun doesn't set, because I can prove to you it rises. It's capable of both.
philwelch 5y ago
I don’t begrudge hatred towards a foreign army carrying out an invasion of conquest. I’m also fairly willing to justify relatively extreme tactics to bring such a war to a satisfactory end; for instance, I believe the atomic bombings of Japan were justified. But when you talk about indiscriminate hatred towards the Russian people, you’re including Russian people who mind their own business and have nothing to do with these invasions. You’re even including Russian people who might oppose these invasions and have done what they could to resist them. Russia isn’t even a democracy, and it’s safe to say that it never has been. The people of Russia have always been the victims of their own autocratic regimes. If you treat them as an enemy because you are victimized by the same autocratic regime that they are, you are only furthering the interests of the regime itself, which is your true enemy and theirs.

You misunderstand my statement. I didn't mean that "every invasion is by russian people", I meant that "when russia invades, it's the russian people doing the invasion not their leaders".

inkyoto 5y ago

Top political leadership physically heading the country's troops in the battlefield has been unheard of since medieval ages, as this role has been delegated to the military commandership and to the army it commands long since then. Therefore I find it illogical to award the term of «statement» to the way you have chained an aggregation of words as it does not parse as a semantically or a historically valid «statement» to me. > it's the russian people doing the invasion Are you singling out ethnically Russian people only and are declaring that the Russian invading force in Ukraine is comprised of 100% ethnically Russian solders, or you refer to Russian citizens instead? Russia is an ethnically diverse country and is home to 193 ethnic groups nationwide, and there are soldiers in the Russian invading force who happen to be ethnically Ukrainian.

hypertele-Xii 5y ago
I don't know what ethnics has to do with it. If it waves the flag it's of the nation. Russia is a nation of russian people. A nation with a history of illegal invasion of its peaceful neighbors, including mine.
- inkyoto 5y ago
  > A nation with a history of illegal invasion of its peaceful neighbors, including mine. Historical facts prove you otherwise. Historically, Russia has been far more often on the receiving end of illegal invasions (I have not even attempted to count the number of innumerable skirmishes) from "peaceful" neighbours – a major invasion every 47.2 years on average between 1237 and 1945, which is something I have pointed out before with a list of reference points to each major invasion.
  - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
    You haven't proven otherwise. You've simply pointed out a different fact. Russia being frequently on the receieving end doesn't somehow annul the fact that it has a history of dishing out its own invasions. That's like saying the Sun doesn't set, because I can prove to you it rises. It's capable of both.

philwelch 5y ago

I don’t begrudge hatred towards a foreign army carrying out an invasion of conquest. I’m also fairly willing to justify relatively extreme tactics to bring such a war to a satisfactory end; for instance, I believe the atomic bombings of Japan were justified. But when you talk about indiscriminate hatred towards the Russian people, you’re including Russian people who mind their own business and have nothing to do with these invasions. You’re even including Russian people who might oppose these invasions and have done what they could to resist them. Russia isn’t even a democracy, and it’s safe to say that it never has been. The people of Russia have always been the victims of their own autocratic regimes. If you treat them as an enemy because you are victimized by the same autocratic regime that they are, you are only furthering the interests of the regime itself, which is your true enemy and theirs.