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One doesn't have to ditch all "western food". Just being sensible with it is good enough: - ditch plant fat for animal fat - avoid excessive sugar - eat real
by ComradePhil 4y ago
One doesn't have to ditch all "western food". Just being sensible with it is good enough:
- ditch plant fat for animal fat
- avoid excessive sugar
- eat real food (no fake milk, meat etc.)
- stop eating vegetables, specially raw vegetables
Food is one of those things I take an ultra conservative stance on. The food industry has made eating literal poison (plant seeds, plant oils, spinach, brussel sprouts etc.) seem healthy with corrupt research and marketing.
You can't just take a food ingredient from one culture, throw away the indegenous preparation techniques and eat it completely different way and expect it to work. Take spinach for example. It comes from ancient Persia where it was added to a meat stew... you can't eat that raw. Spinach has high oxalate content... which gets reduced when you cook it for a long time. The remaining oxalate binds with high calcium in the meat stew and the resulting dish has no oxalate content at all.
Oxalates are one of the anti-nutrients, which are phytotoxins that plants use to avoid being eaten... Anti-nutrients in particular attack animals by affecting essential nutrient absorption. Indegenous preparation, which has evolved with the cultures, has ways to manage these toxins or counter them with some other ingredient which makes it edible. You can't do away with those preparation techniques.
- skrebbel 4y agoStop eating vegetables? Tbf i can't figure out whether you're trolling or not.
- ComradePhil 4y agoDefinitely not trolling. If you don't know how to prepare vegetables in indegenous culture that you got it from, you are better off not eating it. Also, even if you did follow indegenous preparation methods, the food industry may have changed the plant by artificial selection or genetic modification such that the indegenous preparation is not as effective, so you're better off ditching them anyway. Vegetables have significant phytotoxin content without significant nutrient content, specially in forms bioavailable to us (eg. a lot of carotinoids in carrots, except we are terrible at converting that to Vitamin A... we need the retinol form, readily available in milk, eggs, fish, meat etc.). Plants are living beings and don't want to be eaten. They can't fight or flight so their defense is toxins. We have domesticated some of the plants and learnt how to remove those toxins over thousands of years... but if you don't know how to do that effectively, you're better off not eating them.
- dharma1 4y agoFruit definitely evolved to be eaten (this is how the seeds spread)
- ComradePhil 4y agoTrue. Fruits and berries.
- spaghetti1535 4y agoI have recently become interested in finding out more about this (and food/nutrition in general). I want to compile an overview of findings and reference studies. How did you learn about this? Do you recommend any scientific resources concerning the themes of your comment?
- ComradePhil 4y agoI started on this path when I was trying to nurish myself back to health over a decade ago when I suddenly got fat. I thought science was the way to go... but was robbed of that notion a couple of years into it when I discovered that the path to health was in the opposite direction of what the science tells us. Turns out the food industry fully controls the science of food and nutrition. You can start by reading Unsavory Truth or Food Politics by Marion Nestle for better understanding of why that is the way it is. Having said that, Marion Nestle doesn't really explore one side of it... which is that because of ethical reasons, we'll never have proper human experiments, thus nutrition science will always be limited and incomplete, which leaves a lot of room for manipulation, which the industry is happy to do for profits. This has been covered very well by the YouTube channel What I've Learned: https://youtu.be/xRAw7yeDO-c https://youtu.be/xRAw7yeDO-c The same channel has several other videos on food and nutrition, one of the most important ones imo being the one on seed oils: https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k Nutrition and Physical Degenaration by Weston A. Price as described in this thread is one of the best works in support of indigenous foods. The Hidden Life of Trees is a great book on plant intelligence. Other than those resources, we have to piece these things together, take long term views... like should we trust a diet that kept a culture of people alive and well for 100s of years over several generations or do we trust studies with couple of dozen subjects done over a few weeks funded by the food industry?
- manmal 4y agoYou seem to be a glowing fan of carnivore diets, is that right? What do you think about the sustainability of this lifestyle? I’m pretty sure our planet can’t sustain 9 billion exclusively meat eating humans.
- ComradePhil 4y agoNo, not a fan of the carnivore diet (except for short term use for medical purposes). Getting rid of grains puts us in very high risk, grains are essential because they are easy to store long-term... Even though they are plant seeds, the most toxic part of a plant, we have mastered indegenous preparation of grains... and while the food industry has tried to ruin it, it hasn't succeeded by much... mostly because grains are perfect, even for the food industry. I believe that indigenous vegetarian diets, such as the traditional Indian vegetarian diet, before ghee was replaced by industrially produced seed oil, is one good option... as is foods like Sushi, where you combine fish/meat with grains.
- manmal 4y agoWell indigenous use of grains and legumes involves fermentation (eg sourdough, fermented tofu, miso), which are mostly no longer done at scale. Bread that uses yeast instead of sourdough starter is often not fermented long enough to get rid of most FODMAPs (4h fermentation seems to be recommended, but this is reduced for cost reasons).
- cheese_goddess 4y agoThank you for the word of warning. I'd like to eat a lettuce salad with cucumber and spring onions (standard stuff where I live). What kind of indegenous preparation technique do I need to use to make the lettuce safe to eat?
- esperent 4y agoI believe you would have to extract the juice, turn it into a kind of lettuce milk by boiling and straining, and then ferment the result into cheese. Takes about 6 months. Best enjoyed paired with 5kg of raw beef and a litre of vodka.
- cheese_goddess 4y agoSounds great but I wanted to have a salad. Is there no way to make lettuce salad safe to eat?
- midislack 4y agoIt's just loaded with oxalate, eat it and be merry and don't mind the kidney stones and pseudo-gout.
- cheese_goddess 4y agoIsn't oxalate the cause of 5G and so indirectly CORONA?
- phaedrix 4y agoAlso can't tell if you're trolling bec a use just...what? I'd better go do some research on how to eat that salad or apple...really? Just pkease go read the book How Not To Die.