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heh, easy to say for a rich white male. I’m sure he would have a totally different idea if his demographic was the butt of all jokes and memes since the beginni

heh, easy to say for a rich white male. I’m sure he would have a totally different idea if his demographic was the butt of all jokes and memes since the beginning of time…

ternifomene 4y ago
- smackeyacky 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japie
- martin8412 4y ago
Pooge 4y ago
I don't remember hearing "jokes about white people", but literally every country in Europe has some very stereotypical jokes (those that get old very quickly, especially if you immigrated) about it or its citizens. It's fair to say it's the same about USA and Canada. Disagreeing with the woke movement doesn't mean one is a supporter of discrimination. And I especially don't think having a disabled black gay protagonist in a new series is going to help minorities find jobs or education. They are all about making it look like they care.
- atoav 4y ago
  Yeah but european jokes are of a different nature (except maybe ones about Roma and Sinti) — e.g. everybody has jokes about Italians, but that rarely translates into actual issues for Italians working in other EU nations, especially if they speak the language. Same is true for most other national stereotypes that I can think of. > And I especially don't think having a disabled black gay protagonist in a new series is going to help minorities find jobs or education. They are all about making it look like they care. I am not sure it is your decision whether somebody else cares. I don't think having a show for teenage girls with ponies changes anything in the world for better, but for some girl in some dire situation it might just be the fantasy she needs. You know, like the million male power fantasies of saving the world while getting all the women to love you — which also doesn't help us. If you criticize a media product for not helping which is targeted at one group of people, why stop there and not get rid of all media products that are not helping any kind of people? Or is it (understandably) something else when it is about media representation oneself can identify with?
  - gattilorenz 4y ago
    > everybody has jokes about Italians, but that rarely translates into actual issues for Italians working in other EU nations Nitpicking, and you say "rarely" so you might know this, but indeed that's not completely true. Italians were marginalized in Switzerland in the 50s and 60s, up to the early 70s. Even recently a right-wing party was depicting Italians as rats that eat/steal Swiss cheese: https://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-milano/2016/09/26/160639424-56a001d4-fb5e-4847-8f7e-0c68f44534f3.jpg https://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-milano/20...
    - atoav 4y ago
      Good that you mention this. I had a sentence in the post about the guest workers invited to Germany during these times in there, but decided to remove it for brevity and for a focus onto today. I grew up in a massive right wing area in Austria, so I based my judgment on the xenophobic sentiment I was hearing during that time.
arrakis2021 4y ago
Woke corporations parade minorities around like trophies. The virtue signaling has been turned up to an 11 and people on both left and right can see right through it.
- atoav 4y ago
  You think media companies have to go beyond virtue signalling and actually do something this time, just like the did in their century long history before? /s We as a humanity don't tell ourselves stories because the stories solve problems — we tell ourselves stories for a heap of other reasons. One such reason would be escapism: The creation of worlds in which people can fantasize themselves, because there is some character who is the way they secretly see themselves. This is why we have films with cool guys who fare well in critical situations while getting all the women. This is why we have horse themed films for teenage girls. I don't like horse themed films for teenage girls, but as a grown man I don't see why such things shouldn't exist. Same for films where the stories are based on the fantasies of other people who are not like me. Who am I to decide what other people should like?
lithos 4y ago
You mean blond jokes?

heh, easy to say for a rich white male. I’m sure he would have a totally different idea if his demographic was the butt of all jokes and memes since the beginning of time…

ternifomene 4y ago

smackeyacky 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japie
martin8412 4y ago

Pooge 4y ago

I don't remember hearing "jokes about white people", but literally every country in Europe has some very stereotypical jokes (those that get old very quickly, especially if you immigrated) about it or its citizens. It's fair to say it's the same about USA and Canada. Disagreeing with the woke movement doesn't mean one is a supporter of discrimination. And I especially don't think having a disabled black gay protagonist in a new series is going to help minorities find jobs or education. They are all about making it look like they care.

atoav 4y ago
Yeah but european jokes are of a different nature (except maybe ones about Roma and Sinti) — e.g. everybody has jokes about Italians, but that rarely translates into actual issues for Italians working in other EU nations, especially if they speak the language. Same is true for most other national stereotypes that I can think of. > And I especially don't think having a disabled black gay protagonist in a new series is going to help minorities find jobs or education. They are all about making it look like they care. I am not sure it is your decision whether somebody else cares. I don't think having a show for teenage girls with ponies changes anything in the world for better, but for some girl in some dire situation it might just be the fantasy she needs. You know, like the million male power fantasies of saving the world while getting all the women to love you — which also doesn't help us. If you criticize a media product for not helping which is targeted at one group of people, why stop there and not get rid of all media products that are not helping any kind of people? Or is it (understandably) something else when it is about media representation oneself can identify with?
- gattilorenz 4y ago
  > everybody has jokes about Italians, but that rarely translates into actual issues for Italians working in other EU nations Nitpicking, and you say "rarely" so you might know this, but indeed that's not completely true. Italians were marginalized in Switzerland in the 50s and 60s, up to the early 70s. Even recently a right-wing party was depicting Italians as rats that eat/steal Swiss cheese: https://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-milano/2016/09/26/160639424-56a001d4-fb5e-4847-8f7e-0c68f44534f3.jpg https://www.repstatic.it/content/localirep/img/rep-milano/20...
  - atoav 4y ago
    Good that you mention this. I had a sentence in the post about the guest workers invited to Germany during these times in there, but decided to remove it for brevity and for a focus onto today. I grew up in a massive right wing area in Austria, so I based my judgment on the xenophobic sentiment I was hearing during that time.

arrakis2021 4y ago

Woke corporations parade minorities around like trophies. The virtue signaling has been turned up to an 11 and people on both left and right can see right through it.

atoav 4y ago
You think media companies have to go beyond virtue signalling and actually do something this time, just like the did in their century long history before? /s We as a humanity don't tell ourselves stories because the stories solve problems — we tell ourselves stories for a heap of other reasons. One such reason would be escapism: The creation of worlds in which people can fantasize themselves, because there is some character who is the way they secretly see themselves. This is why we have films with cool guys who fare well in critical situations while getting all the women. This is why we have horse themed films for teenage girls. I don't like horse themed films for teenage girls, but as a grown man I don't see why such things shouldn't exist. Same for films where the stories are based on the fantasies of other people who are not like me. Who am I to decide what other people should like?

lithos 4y ago

You mean blond jokes?