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This is true, but Cleaver does not rhyme with Clever.

melissalobos 4y ago
In Standard American English true. There are many many dialects and local versions. Listen to the Great British Bakeoff for one full episode and note if you ever disagree with any pronunciations. Now go to Indonesia, where I spent a great deal of time and tell me that Cleaver is never pronounced Clever.
- dylan604 4y ago
  There are always integration problems when you deviate from the standard.
  - nine_k 4y ago
    Unlike French or Spanish, English has no standard.
  - irrational 4y ago
    The Standard? You mean the Queen’s dialect?
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  Well, Indonesian English wasn't an argument I was expecting. :D I'm a Kiwi, we're renowned for butchering English. Or as we call it, Unglush. For some fun examples, here's a video made by Australians parodying our accent[0]. And here's another one[1], although what's funny as a Kiwi is to me it just sounds like Australians saying "deck", but to them it sounds like Kiwis saying "dick". But then once when I asked my friend's Australian partner to pass me a pen once, she was confused until I pronounced it (to me) as "peeen", which felt like I was taking the piss out of her accent, but she understood me then, she had thought I was asking for a pin... Oh, and here's one from the Flight of the Conchords playing on our accent and American comprehension thereof.[2] I've never heard cleaver pronounced "clever" (so far in my life), but then, lever is often pronounced here in a way that rhymes with "cleaver" (i.e., "leaver" vs. "lever") so I can entirely understand that the pronunciation of cleaver could change to clever in other countries' English. Ah, English, the mongrel cur of languages. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0 [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdg1MOYxHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdg1MOYxHo
Brian_K_White 4y ago
They just informed you that in some places it does. Specifically that both sound like kleh-ver not that both sound like klee-ver just to be clear, because as long as we're only writing text here and the very topic is ambiguity about how a word sounds, I notice that by the normal rules "clever" should be expected to sound like klee-ver, which starts to make this conversation a bit funny.

In Standard American English true. There are many many dialects and local versions. Listen to the Great British Bakeoff for one full episode and note if you ever disagree with any pronunciations. Now go to Indonesia, where I spent a great deal of time and tell me that Cleaver is never pronounced Clever.

dylan604 4y ago
There are always integration problems when you deviate from the standard.
- nine_k 4y ago
  Unlike French or Spanish, English has no standard.
- irrational 4y ago
  The Standard? You mean the Queen’s dialect?
EdwardDiego 4y ago
Well, Indonesian English wasn't an argument I was expecting. :D I'm a Kiwi, we're renowned for butchering English. Or as we call it, Unglush. For some fun examples, here's a video made by Australians parodying our accent[0]. And here's another one[1], although what's funny as a Kiwi is to me it just sounds like Australians saying "deck", but to them it sounds like Kiwis saying "dick". But then once when I asked my friend's Australian partner to pass me a pen once, she was confused until I pronounced it (to me) as "peeen", which felt like I was taking the piss out of her accent, but she understood me then, she had thought I was asking for a pin... Oh, and here's one from the Flight of the Conchords playing on our accent and American comprehension thereof.[2] I've never heard cleaver pronounced "clever" (so far in my life), but then, lever is often pronounced here in a way that rhymes with "cleaver" (i.e., "leaver" vs. "lever") so I can entirely understand that the pronunciation of cleaver could change to clever in other countries' English. Ah, English, the mongrel cur of languages. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdVHZwI8pcA [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6c4Nupnup0 [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdg1MOYxHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRdg1MOYxHo

Brian_K_White 4y ago

They just informed you that in some places it does. Specifically that both sound like kleh-ver not that both sound like klee-ver just to be clear, because as long as we're only writing text here and the very topic is ambiguity about how a word sounds, I notice that by the normal rules "clever" should be expected to sound like klee-ver, which starts to make this conversation a bit funny.