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I would argue that QAnon ticks all of these boxes, perhaps with the exception of item 8.
by NoraCodes 4y ago
I would argue that QAnon ticks all of these boxes, perhaps with the exception of item 8.
- whiddershins 4y agoIt’s always the our group that is fascist.
- mort96 4y agoBoth sides will claim that the other side is fascist, because calling something fascist is a powerful rhetorical tool. Still, it's possible for one side to be correct and the other side to be incorrect in their characterization.
- davidw 4y agoOne part of why we're in the pickle we're in is the both-sidesism from the press and others.
- IAmEveryone 4y agoIn its original iteration, the Nazis were very much not accusing their opponents of such things. Fascism is very visible, with displays of strength, mass events, iconography, etc. They concept of the enemy was more conspiratorial in nature, i. e. the jewish conspiracy. It's really only the most mindless middle school name calling of the last two years or so where you get Trump people saying "oh, but it's national socialist" and now Putin. It's trolling, "flooding the zone with shit". The Nazis were better than that.
- dragonwriter 4y ago> the Nazis were very much not accusing their opponents of such things That's because they (and their Italian buddies) hadn't yet etched in world consciousness the image problem fascism and Naziism has that such attacks seek to leverage. They did accuse their enemies of being all of the (often mutually contradictory) equivalent boogeymen of the day, though.
- pugets 4y agoIt’s also possible for neither side to be correct.
- mort96 4y agoAbsolutely. My point is that even if one group is provably fascist and the other group is provably not fascist, you would expect both groups to call each other fascist. Whether Qanon is fascist or not is a separate conversation.
- laverya 4y agoOr for both sides to be correct! Who is to be the ingroup, and who the outgroup, is one of the most important questions in all of human history.
- chmod600 4y agoI assume you mean "out group". I will add that confirmation bias is powerful: all of the listed traits are easy to find almost anywhere you look. One exception might be traditionalism, but lots of revolutionaries quickly pivot to having their own traditions if they have any success anyway.
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- reducesuffering 4y agoYa it’s definitely the Democrats obsessed with machismo and weaponry. /s
- xtian 4y agoRight, they’re only obsessed with “toxic masculinity”, and military budget increases endlessly sailing through Democrat-controlled Congresses in no way represent an obsession, just common sense. Biden promised a transition to climate-friendly military vehicles and materiel after all.
- reducesuffering 4y agoIs that how Mussolini’s Italy approached masculinity?
- xtian 4y agoSorry I thought we were discussing these 14 general points which constitute the decisive authority on fascism. Why are you bringing up history?
- rhexs 4y agoInteresting, neoliberals seem to now support the authoritarian state, the various intelligence agencies, NATO going to war with Russia, censorship, etc. Has been a strange shift.
- rgrieselhuber 4y agoI also remember when the liberals were anti-war and pro-free speech.
- kmonsen 4y agoLiberals/left side is significantly different from the establishment of the democractic party or neo-liberals. neo-liberals are supporting the current system, in a "nicer" way. Leftist, lets say Sanders or Warren wants taxes on the rich less war and more healthcare for everyone for example. A more equal society. The same can of course be said for the GOP, Mitch McConnel is very much for the continuation of what is now with perhaps slightly harsher rhetoric while the flank is very counter-revolutionary.
- Shared404 4y agoI would agree sans the exception you carve out. I've seen too much "We're on the brink of $Horrible-evil-calamity-brought-on-by-out-group!" immediately followed by "The storm is coming there is nothing that can stop us now!" to think otherwise.
- cyborgx7 4y agoI think item 8 is one of the most obvious boxes it ticks. The weak-minded, constantly-triggered, safe-space seeking, snowflake libs control the entire world with an iron fist.
- IAmEveryone 4y agoPlus, you know, the globalists.
- RajT88 4y agoAh yes, the "Globalists ;) ;) ;)" That ticks a few boxes.
- krapp 4y agoAnd don't forget the "New York liberals." You know how they get, in New York.
- kmonsen 4y agoAnd they are lead by a very proud grew up wealthy New Yorker.
- KarlKemp 4y agoIt mostly seems to tick off a few ...somethings. Since it's quite impossible to disagree with the idea of "New York Liberal" and "globalist" being an anti-semitic dogwhistle once you've heard of it, the downvotes must be... intense disagreement with statement that makes absolutely no sense to them?
- krapp 4y agoObviously these are all just perfidious lies spread by the cultural marxists who control the media and academia.
- meepmorp 4y ago
- kmonsen 4y agoBut doesn't the wokish leftism also tick most of the boxes. You can say that they have real issue to complain about, but completely made up is not one of the boxes.
- NoraCodes 4y agoI mean... No. It misses 1, 2, arguably 3, 5, usually 7, 8, 10, and 12. That's over half the list, while QAnon checks all 14, or close.
- psyc 4y ago3. I misunderstood this one, and now I agree with you. 7. The patriarchy, institutional racism, rape culture. The extent to which these are comparable to conspiracy theories is a matter of perspective and proportion. But it seems obvious that as a group they portray themselves as perpetually besieged, no matter what. 8. Oppressors who are nevertheless exhibiting white or male ‘fragility’