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I have the same internet provider and package. While 25Gbps is indeed basically unattainable to anything other than Init7's speedtest server, it's easy to excee

by Youden 4y ago

I have the same internet provider and package. While 25Gbps is indeed basically unattainable to anything other than Init7's speedtest server, it's easy to exceed 1Gbps. Software and driver updates exceed 1Gbps all the time, as do game updates/downloads through Steam. Piracy also works really well. Downloading copyrighted media is perfectly legal in Switzerland and I was able to get ~7Gbps real-world speeds from Usenet without too much hassle. It's also really handy for things like backups. As of writing, bandwidth to a Hetzner cloud server is ~5Gbps up/down with iPerf3. I do agree that 25Gbps is more overkill/bragging rights than it is real utility but I think 10Gbps is an easy sell. Keep in mind that there is no change at all to the monthly price of your internet by choosing these higher speeds. 10Gbps has the same monthly and setup costs as 1Gbps, you only have to pay a bit extra for hardware capable of dealing with 10Gbps, which is pretty affordable.

snovv_crash 4y ago
Also with init7, very happy with my 1Gbps line. I'd probably even take a 300Mbps if it was half the price. Even with gigabit LAN I don't saturate the line more than a few seconds a day on things like updates, and anything from my RPi NAS isn't going to saturate it anyways. Please note too, piracy is not legal in Switzerland. What is illegal is the spying and tracking which would be necessary to build a case and prosecute pirates. Technically you could still self-incriminate if you documented all of your piracy, with proof, and published it online.
- Youden 4y ago
  Downloading is legal in Switzerland. For a nice authoritative source, here's the Swiss Federal Institute for Intellectual Property (part of the Department of Justice and Police)[0]: "Downloading copyright-protected works for private use is permitted in Switzerland (Art. 19 CopA)." The mentioned legal basis is [1]. Note that this applies strictly to downloading though. Participating in a torrent swarm (where uploading is also happening) is not permitted. That's where the technicality you mention comes in: until recently, it was illegal to monitor internet users for copyright enforcement purposes, which meant it was illegal to monitor a torrent swarm, which meant you could somewhat safely seed torrents, despite it being illegal. That loophole was recently removed however. [0]: https://www.ige.ch/en/intellectual-property/counterfeiting-and-piracy/what-does-the-law-say https://www.ige.ch/en/intellectual-property/counterfeiting-a... [1]: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1993/1798_1798_1798/en#art_19 https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1993/1798_1798_1798/en#ar...
  - underlines 4y ago
    downloading anything since 1997 in Switzerland: BBS, FXP, IRC/XDCC then later on gnutella, DC++, torrents and one click hosters. De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it. Same goes for the place I live since 2016: Thailand. Though: Not pirating for professional stuff, only for private stuff. I still support software/media by buying the things I want to support.
    - Youden 4y ago
      > De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it. My claim was founded on authoritative sources, including the law itself. If you want to contradict that claim, you'll need to back it up.

by Youden 4y ago

snovv_crash 4y ago

Also with init7, very happy with my 1Gbps line. I'd probably even take a 300Mbps if it was half the price. Even with gigabit LAN I don't saturate the line more than a few seconds a day on things like updates, and anything from my RPi NAS isn't going to saturate it anyways. Please note too, piracy is not legal in Switzerland. What is illegal is the spying and tracking which would be necessary to build a case and prosecute pirates. Technically you could still self-incriminate if you documented all of your piracy, with proof, and published it online.

Youden 4y ago
Downloading is legal in Switzerland. For a nice authoritative source, here's the Swiss Federal Institute for Intellectual Property (part of the Department of Justice and Police)[0]: "Downloading copyright-protected works for private use is permitted in Switzerland (Art. 19 CopA)." The mentioned legal basis is [1]. Note that this applies strictly to downloading though. Participating in a torrent swarm (where uploading is also happening) is not permitted. That's where the technicality you mention comes in: until recently, it was illegal to monitor internet users for copyright enforcement purposes, which meant it was illegal to monitor a torrent swarm, which meant you could somewhat safely seed torrents, despite it being illegal. That loophole was recently removed however. [0]: https://www.ige.ch/en/intellectual-property/counterfeiting-and-piracy/what-does-the-law-say https://www.ige.ch/en/intellectual-property/counterfeiting-a... [1]: https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1993/1798_1798_1798/en#art_19 https://www.fedlex.admin.ch/eli/cc/1993/1798_1798_1798/en#ar...
- underlines 4y ago
  downloading anything since 1997 in Switzerland: BBS, FXP, IRC/XDCC then later on gnutella, DC++, torrents and one click hosters. De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it. Same goes for the place I live since 2016: Thailand. Though: Not pirating for professional stuff, only for private stuff. I still support software/media by buying the things I want to support.
  - Youden 4y ago
    > De jure it's not really legal anymore since they updated the law... De facto nobody cares as long as you're not making a business out of it. My claim was founded on authoritative sources, including the law itself. If you want to contradict that claim, you'll need to back it up.