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MSPs have no power to propose legislation, the Commission does that and it is not elected by the people, so it's a stretch to claim that a parliament that can o

MSPs have no power to propose legislation, the Commission does that and it is not elected by the people, so it's a stretch to claim that a parliament that can only rubber stamp things is a representative democracy. Would the Soviet system be a representative democracy? It's a very similar set up.

mrtksn 5y ago
The commission members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states(one each) and need to be approved by the European Parliament. Let's not portray it as if they are clerks of an external organisation. Anyway, if the MP's were simply rubber stamping whatever the commissioners propose, what they were discussing for 16 hours? Obviously, the portrayal of unelected bureaucrats shovelling whatever they want down the throat of the people is false.
- brigandish 5y ago
  > The commission members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states(one each) and need to be approved by the European Parliament. > Let's not portray it as if they are clerks of an external organisation. I'm not sure whether that refers to the commissioners or the MSPs. Regardless, the commissioners are not elected by the people and the MSPs cannot propose legislation. That set up is essentially the same as the Soviets used and no one called that democracy (even though it technically was) so why should the EU get a pass? > Anyway, if the MP's were simply rubber stamping whatever the commissioners propose, what they were discussing for 16 hours? I've seen plenty of jobsworths in my time, they don't seem to have anything against appearing to be doing something, or actually doing something that serves no good use. That's not a problem for only the EU parliament, of course, but the point is whether it's a representative democracy and it clearly is not. I'm not even sure whether it could be.

mrtksn 5y ago

The commission members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states(one each) and need to be approved by the European Parliament. Let's not portray it as if they are clerks of an external organisation. Anyway, if the MP's were simply rubber stamping whatever the commissioners propose, what they were discussing for 16 hours? Obviously, the portrayal of unelected bureaucrats shovelling whatever they want down the throat of the people is false.

brigandish 5y ago
> The commission members are appointed by the elected governments of the member states(one each) and need to be approved by the European Parliament. > Let's not portray it as if they are clerks of an external organisation. I'm not sure whether that refers to the commissioners or the MSPs. Regardless, the commissioners are not elected by the people and the MSPs cannot propose legislation. That set up is essentially the same as the Soviets used and no one called that democracy (even though it technically was) so why should the EU get a pass? > Anyway, if the MP's were simply rubber stamping whatever the commissioners propose, what they were discussing for 16 hours? I've seen plenty of jobsworths in my time, they don't seem to have anything against appearing to be doing something, or actually doing something that serves no good use. That's not a problem for only the EU parliament, of course, but the point is whether it's a representative democracy and it clearly is not. I'm not even sure whether it could be.