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So the result here is going to be even more content/account bans without possibility of complaint on all digital platforms? And inability for Google competitors

by izacus 5y ago

So the result here is going to be even more content/account bans without possibility of complaint on all digital platforms? And inability for Google competitors to enter the market because they can't afford a massive AI autibanning system to comply with requirement. Our EU seriously seems to try to regulate competition out of existence :/

Zenst 5y ago
The phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind. Whilst they are focused upon the larger outlets and targeting that, the lesser, future platforms will be burdened with an entry cost far higher than before; Pushing that opertunity of inivation further from the reaches of those on the otherside of wealth. Just ironic that the intentions of the EU upon this only fuel anticomepative divides via that entry cost barrier to compete.
- dmitriid 5y ago
  > lesser, future platforms will be burdened with an entry cost far higher than before; Pushing that opertunity of inivation further from the reaches of those on the otherside of wealth Yet again, HN doesn't even bother to read before commenting. The law applies to platforms with more than 45 million users. By the time you have that many, you're not a "lesser platform that's hurting".
  - kmlx 5y ago
    pewdiepie, a youtuber, has 111 million subscribers. europe is underestimating the web.
    - iso1210 5y ago
      pewdiepie isn't a platform. It's also a major business with plenty of turnover and the ability to obey the laws of the juristiction the company operates in.
  - buzer 5y ago
    > The law applies to platforms with more than 45 million users. By the time you have that many, you're not a "lesser platform that's hurting". There are only some parts on regulation that affects those with more than 45 million active users. https://ec.europa.eu/info/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe-and-accountable-online-environment_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe... [edit] Reading the actual regulation text a bit closer, it looks like there are additional categories than those presented in EC's overview page. Some of the elements do not apply certain small companies defined "a small enterprise is defined as an enterprise which employs fewer than 50 persons and whose annual turnover and/or annual balance sheet total does not exceed EUR 10 million" (+some additional restrictions on things like ownership. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32003H0361&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...)
otherotherchris 5y ago
Oh it's far worse than that. The next fundamentalist quasi-dictatorship in Romania, Poland or Hungary gets to decide what's illegal and immoral and therefore censored in Belgium and Sweden.
- DoItToMe81 5y ago
  I agree with regulation, but some of this is very concerning. By the Polish government's actions, pointing out the very real Polish pogroms and Polish informants who turned in Jews could be considered misinformation. This will be abused by some the increasingly illiberal and nationalist states in the EU.
- InCityDreams 5y ago
  Just like the Brits...there can always be a Belgone and a Swedone. Oh....here we go, then: Germano Italeave sPain Portugallivant The Neverlands Cont. on p94.
DethNinja 5y ago
I'm a small business owner with an online digital platform. I'm going through the DSA now and it looks like they exempted most of the hard to implement requirements for micro/small businesses. You can find the full regulation here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?qid=1608117147218&uri=COM%3A2020%3A825%3AFIN#footnote41 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?qid=16081171... So long as you don't have millions of users, you are exempt from "Section 3" requirements. If you got millions of users, I'm sure such companies can afford implementing the mentioned regulations. Honestly, it currently doesn't look extremely bad for small/micro businesses but we will see.

by izacus 5y ago

Zenst 5y ago

The phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind. Whilst they are focused upon the larger outlets and targeting that, the lesser, future platforms will be burdened with an entry cost far higher than before; Pushing that opertunity of inivation further from the reaches of those on the otherside of wealth. Just ironic that the intentions of the EU upon this only fuel anticomepative divides via that entry cost barrier to compete.

dmitriid 5y ago
> lesser, future platforms will be burdened with an entry cost far higher than before; Pushing that opertunity of inivation further from the reaches of those on the otherside of wealth Yet again, HN doesn't even bother to read before commenting. The law applies to platforms with more than 45 million users. By the time you have that many, you're not a "lesser platform that's hurting".
- kmlx 5y ago
  pewdiepie, a youtuber, has 111 million subscribers. europe is underestimating the web.
  - iso1210 5y ago
    pewdiepie isn't a platform. It's also a major business with plenty of turnover and the ability to obey the laws of the juristiction the company operates in.
- buzer 5y ago
  > The law applies to platforms with more than 45 million users. By the time you have that many, you're not a "lesser platform that's hurting". There are only some parts on regulation that affects those with more than 45 million active users. https://ec.europa.eu/info/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe-and-accountable-online-environment_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/digital-services-act-ensuring-safe... [edit] Reading the actual regulation text a bit closer, it looks like there are additional categories than those presented in EC's overview page. Some of the elements do not apply certain small companies defined "a small enterprise is defined as an enterprise which employs fewer than 50 persons and whose annual turnover and/or annual balance sheet total does not exceed EUR 10 million" (+some additional restrictions on things like ownership. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32003H0361&from=EN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL...)

otherotherchris 5y ago

Oh it's far worse than that. The next fundamentalist quasi-dictatorship in Romania, Poland or Hungary gets to decide what's illegal and immoral and therefore censored in Belgium and Sweden.

DoItToMe81 5y ago
I agree with regulation, but some of this is very concerning. By the Polish government's actions, pointing out the very real Polish pogroms and Polish informants who turned in Jews could be considered misinformation. This will be abused by some the increasingly illiberal and nationalist states in the EU.
InCityDreams 5y ago
Just like the Brits...there can always be a Belgone and a Swedone. Oh....here we go, then: Germano Italeave sPain Portugallivant The Neverlands Cont. on p94.

DethNinja 5y ago

I'm a small business owner with an online digital platform. I'm going through the DSA now and it looks like they exempted most of the hard to implement requirements for micro/small businesses. You can find the full regulation here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?qid=1608117147218&uri=COM%3A2020%3A825%3AFIN#footnote41 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?qid=16081171... So long as you don't have millions of users, you are exempt from "Section 3" requirements. If you got millions of users, I'm sure such companies can afford implementing the mentioned regulations. Honestly, it currently doesn't look extremely bad for small/micro businesses but we will see.