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TL;DR > "We also estimated the excess numbers of myocarditis events per 100 000 vaccinees in the 28-day risk periods. Among all males, these numbers were (...)

TL;DR > "We also estimated the excess numbers of myocarditis events per 100 000 vaccinees in the 28-day risk periods. Among all males, these numbers were (...) [at most 4.97 events] after the second dose. > "Among all females, the excess numbers of events per 100 000 vaccinees in the 28-day risk periods were (...) [at most 0.48 events] after the second dose (Table 2). Also, apparently these myocarditis events seem to be completely benign and experienced only momentarily.

ta123457864 5y ago
- arinlen 5y ago
  > "Mild mycoarditis" is a complete propaganda lie up there with war is peace. I'm not sure you're adequately informed or even being honest at all. Myocarditis refers to inflammation of the heart muscle. Amusingly enough, it can also occur with the common cold and influenza. In the context of post-vaccine myocarditis, in the very rare cases where myocarditis is observed (IIRC between 0.2 and 5 cases per 100 000 vaccinated individuals), typically they are very mild cases where symptoms last a short amount of time without requiring any medical therapy at all. https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-19-get-facts https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-1... > Berlin emergency services show a 30% increase for heart attack and stroke codes in 2021. No explanation. Many other such signs from around the world. Do you have any way to substantiate your baseless claim, or even that there is any link at all to the topic? Also, COVID infections are already known to cause heart attack and stroke. Why did you ruled COVID out but somehow tried to imply vaccines were a factor? https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2022/01/covid19-increasing-stroke-risks.php https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2022/01/covi... I find it strange that a) you try to pass off as something you personally describe as having "no explanation" as a consequence of taking a vaccine, b) you try to ignore the fact that it's no mystery that COVID is indeed tied to those health issues.
  - blub 5y ago
  - ta123457864 5y ago
- V__ 5y ago
  > Berlin emergency services show a 30% increase for heart attack and stroke codes in 2021. No explanation. Many other such signs from around the world. Sadly ,due to the pandemic a lot of preventive check-ups haven't been made. This could be just one reason. You can't criticise someone for doing "propaganda" while not providing any sources and pulling stuff out of the air yourself. If you want to actually read up on what the problems are and aren't. I recommend this podcast (which includes all sources): https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
  - ta123457864 5y ago
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5951175/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5951175/ "Myocarditis is an uncommon, potentially life-threatening disease that presents with a wide range of symptoms in children and adults." That's experts, scientists, who are saying this and this is published on a government website. I can source most things I say but I find it to be pointless because the comments just get dismissed after I did all the work. Btw, why doesn't he have to source his ridiculous claim that mycoarditis is "mild"?
    - V__ 5y ago
      A potentially life-threatening disease can be mild. I'm not sure why you think your source is a gotcha argument? He sourced it in his second comment. However, due to the increase in cases, especially in young people, they aren't recommended to get vaccinated with Moderna for example. And younger children aren't recommended to get vaccinated at all right now, except when having pre-existing conditions (Germany, can't speak for other countries).
  - ta123457864 5y ago
    - V__ 5y ago
      You are grouping people and hope for a "reckoning", instead of trying to talk about arguments and actually replying to the comments. That's why nobody is taking you seriously.
blub 5y ago
- arinlen 5y ago
  > What a manipulative comment. First of all, you didn’t quote the key points of the study: Please point out exactly where my direct citation from the article is manipulated in any way. > Meaning The risk of myocarditis in this large cohort study was highest in young males after the second SARS-CoV-2 vaccine dose, and this risk should be balanced against the benefits of protecting against severe COVID-19 disease. —- Please read my comment. I quoted exactly the highest risk scenarios. The study determined that at worse it's less than 5 per 100 000 cases on young males. > Second of all, the word benign does not appear in the study. The study tracked primary and secondary myocarditis and pericarditis diagnosis at the moment of hospital discharge. The study mentions zero complications, let alone fatalities. A myocarditis diagnosis could mean something as little as claiming you feel fatigued and experience a weird feeling in your chest, no matter how brief you experience it. Please read the study before going on personal attacks. > The critical question in regards to heart inflammation was always about young males, this is very well known! You need to decide if you want to accuse my quotation as manipulative or stressing nothing new. You can't have it both ways. Also, you might find it interesting that the study points quite unequivocally that: * "Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination was rare in this study cohort and even among young males." * "The risk of myocarditis following the mRNA vaccines has been evaluated by the US Food and Drug Administration, which concluded that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks and fully authorized the use of mRNA-1273 in persons 18 years or older and BNT162b2 in persons 16 years or older."
blub 5y ago
My reply where I was claiming that the comment from arinlen was manipulative was flagged, but I stand by my statement. It’s also in no way a personal attack to describe someone’s comment that way. Here’s why I claimed it’s manipulative: the study key points are “For young males receiving 2 doses of the same vaccine, data were compatible with between 4 and 7 excess events in 28 days per 100 000 vaccinees after second-dose BNT162b2, and between 9 and 28 per 100 000 vaccinees after second-dose mRNA-1273.” That is a direct quote. Now look at arinlen’s TLDR: only 5 versus 4-7 events for Biontech and 9-28 for Moderna in the key points. The study authors clearly conclude that “The risk of myocarditis in this large cohort study was highest in young males after the second SARS-CoV-2 vaccine dose, and this risk should be balanced against the benefits of protecting against severe COVID-19 disease”. Quoting the outcomes in the general population from a study highlighting the effects in young males could have been a mistake. Given that the commenter insisted that their TLDR was correct after I pointed the above out, it’s more likely that they want to suppress any association between mRNA vaccines and heart inflammation. This association is by now well established and many EU countries have dropped Moderna for young males.

ta123457864 5y ago

arinlen 5y ago
> "Mild mycoarditis" is a complete propaganda lie up there with war is peace. I'm not sure you're adequately informed or even being honest at all. Myocarditis refers to inflammation of the heart muscle. Amusingly enough, it can also occur with the common cold and influenza. In the context of post-vaccine myocarditis, in the very rare cases where myocarditis is observed (IIRC between 0.2 and 5 cases per 100 000 vaccinated individuals), typically they are very mild cases where symptoms last a short amount of time without requiring any medical therapy at all. https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-19-get-facts https://www.chop.edu/news/health-tip/myocarditis-and-covid-1... > Berlin emergency services show a 30% increase for heart attack and stroke codes in 2021. No explanation. Many other such signs from around the world. Do you have any way to substantiate your baseless claim, or even that there is any link at all to the topic? Also, COVID infections are already known to cause heart attack and stroke. Why did you ruled COVID out but somehow tried to imply vaccines were a factor? https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2022/01/covid19-increasing-stroke-risks.php https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2022/01/covi... I find it strange that a) you try to pass off as something you personally describe as having "no explanation" as a consequence of taking a vaccine, b) you try to ignore the fact that it's no mystery that COVID is indeed tied to those health issues.
- blub 5y ago
- ta123457864 5y ago
V__ 5y ago
> Berlin emergency services show a 30% increase for heart attack and stroke codes in 2021. No explanation. Many other such signs from around the world. Sadly ,due to the pandemic a lot of preventive check-ups haven't been made. This could be just one reason. You can't criticise someone for doing "propaganda" while not providing any sources and pulling stuff out of the air yourself. If you want to actually read up on what the problems are and aren't. I recommend this podcast (which includes all sources): https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/ https://peterattiamd.com/covid-part2/
- ta123457864 5y ago
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5951175/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5951175/ "Myocarditis is an uncommon, potentially life-threatening disease that presents with a wide range of symptoms in children and adults." That's experts, scientists, who are saying this and this is published on a government website. I can source most things I say but I find it to be pointless because the comments just get dismissed after I did all the work. Btw, why doesn't he have to source his ridiculous claim that mycoarditis is "mild"?
  - V__ 5y ago
    A potentially life-threatening disease can be mild. I'm not sure why you think your source is a gotcha argument? He sourced it in his second comment. However, due to the increase in cases, especially in young people, they aren't recommended to get vaccinated with Moderna for example. And younger children aren't recommended to get vaccinated at all right now, except when having pre-existing conditions (Germany, can't speak for other countries).
- ta123457864 5y ago
  - V__ 5y ago
    You are grouping people and hope for a "reckoning", instead of trying to talk about arguments and actually replying to the comments. That's why nobody is taking you seriously.

blub 5y ago

arinlen 5y ago
> What a manipulative comment. First of all, you didn’t quote the key points of the study: Please point out exactly where my direct citation from the article is manipulated in any way. > Meaning The risk of myocarditis in this large cohort study was highest in young males after the second SARS-CoV-2 vaccine dose, and this risk should be balanced against the benefits of protecting against severe COVID-19 disease. —- Please read my comment. I quoted exactly the highest risk scenarios. The study determined that at worse it's less than 5 per 100 000 cases on young males. > Second of all, the word benign does not appear in the study. The study tracked primary and secondary myocarditis and pericarditis diagnosis at the moment of hospital discharge. The study mentions zero complications, let alone fatalities. A myocarditis diagnosis could mean something as little as claiming you feel fatigued and experience a weird feeling in your chest, no matter how brief you experience it. Please read the study before going on personal attacks. > The critical question in regards to heart inflammation was always about young males, this is very well known! You need to decide if you want to accuse my quotation as manipulative or stressing nothing new. You can't have it both ways. Also, you might find it interesting that the study points quite unequivocally that: * "Myocarditis after mRNA vaccination was rare in this study cohort and even among young males." * "The risk of myocarditis following the mRNA vaccines has been evaluated by the US Food and Drug Administration, which concluded that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks and fully authorized the use of mRNA-1273 in persons 18 years or older and BNT162b2 in persons 16 years or older."

blub 5y ago

My reply where I was claiming that the comment from arinlen was manipulative was flagged, but I stand by my statement. It’s also in no way a personal attack to describe someone’s comment that way. Here’s why I claimed it’s manipulative: the study key points are “For young males receiving 2 doses of the same vaccine, data were compatible with between 4 and 7 excess events in 28 days per 100 000 vaccinees after second-dose BNT162b2, and between 9 and 28 per 100 000 vaccinees after second-dose mRNA-1273.” That is a direct quote. Now look at arinlen’s TLDR: only 5 versus 4-7 events for Biontech and 9-28 for Moderna in the key points. The study authors clearly conclude that “The risk of myocarditis in this large cohort study was highest in young males after the second SARS-CoV-2 vaccine dose, and this risk should be balanced against the benefits of protecting against severe COVID-19 disease”. Quoting the outcomes in the general population from a study highlighting the effects in young males could have been a mistake. Given that the commenter insisted that their TLDR was correct after I pointed the above out, it’s more likely that they want to suppress any association between mRNA vaccines and heart inflammation. This association is by now well established and many EU countries have dropped Moderna for young males.