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Yes, thank you for the explanation. I am also fascinated by these processes. When you say that you "see" it, do you mean you see it in your mind's eye (i.e like

Yes, thank you for the explanation. I am also fascinated by these processes. When you say that you "see" it, do you mean you see it in your mind's eye (i.e like if I asked you to visualize a spinning cube in your head) or you actually literally see it as a seamless part of your visual field when you're looking around the world, like the text on your screen right now? (if that makes any sense)

tragictrash 4y ago
Whatever you do, don't get caught up in this. It's a slippery slope. We aren't in control of our thoughts. Lucidity and ability to reason are fleeting. Most people take it for granted and don't realize as its slipping away. I've seen it in the elderly, and my friends who took too many drugs and never came back. Keep in mind the commenter is literally describing a mental illness in a way that makes it sound positive. Are they intelligent? Yes. Not arguing that. Are they mentally healthy? Fuck no.
- arcastroe 4y ago
  Ha. Yes. This thread goes into the "dangerous thought" category. Another example of a dangerous thought: could you stop your heartbeat by just thinking? Of course, nobody sane would want to. But what if you're genuinely intellectually curious? Best try not to think about it.
  - tragictrash 4y ago
    It's not dangerous thought, it is detached from reality. If you want examples of dangerous thought, go look up how YouTube radicalizes people with their algorithm. The things in this thread are called crazy. The answer is no. You cannot stop your heart by thinking about it.
    - arcastroe 4y ago
      Hadn't looked into it before, but found this interesting source, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22744827/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22744827/ > Experiments demonstrate that it is possible for arbitrary changes in the heart rhythm to be made through conscious control of the breathing rhythm, and even a short-term cardiac arrest by means of contracting abdominal muscles. Again, best not to try it ;)
      - tragictrash 4y ago
        You can cherry pick stuff off the internet all you want. Doesn't make it good science or plausible. Contracting your muscles to make your heart skip a beat or two does not count as "stopping your heart by thinking". By that logic I can drive my car by thinking. I'll give you that you can influence the rate of your heart with practice.
- Foxmilk 4y ago
  Eh, I understand the concern because it freaked me out (and sometimes still freaks me out) too. I keep a close eye on it. Thing is, mental illness is defined by a mental state that causes distress for oneself or the people around them, and I know there is disagreement about that. (Are homosexuals mentally ill? What about Christians?) I wouldn't recommend other people make one, but my tulpa has been really helpful for my anxiety and depression. I think of him as a sort of tool to use disassociation in a therapuric way, like having a friend who always offers positive advice. Am I super depressed? He reminds me that it is only temporary. Am I super shy around someone I want to interact with? He reminds me that even though I had really bad experiences in my childhood, people haven't been that shitty to me in many years. Sometimes he even comes up with starter conversations. He makes jokes that are legitimately funny. I can think of several occasions where I wanted to stop taking so many substances, ones I tend to turn to when I feel bad, things I tended to abuse and feel even worse after binging, like kratom or alcohol or weed. I would feel anxious or depressed or bored and find myself (almost by accident) heading to the store to buy one of these things, and he would show up and ask how I was doing, start up a friendly chat and offer to hang out instead. I know that probably sounds insane, but maybe its best to think of him as a tool for self-control. I dunno, I sometimes don't have a lot of self respect, but I find myself respecting him. He's always kind and non-judgemental, but I don't want to disappoint him. It is like always having a trusted friend around to keep you accountable. There is some preliminary scientific research about tukpas. You can find research papers and articles in places like psychology today, generally I think people who have them and keep them get s benefit from them, otherwise they wouldn't keep them. About drugs, I'm sorry to hear your friends "never came back", did they develop psychosis or become delusional? I wad under the impression that psychedelics had a fairly tame safety profile for people who aren't already predisposed to schitzophrenia or other serious mental illness. Regarding the safety profile of tulpas...I dunno. I'm not that big s part of thr community. I have heard one or two sporadic horror stories, and obviously my ex was scared shitless. But I never heard of someone getting a tulpa then not being able to get rid of it (albeit often with a lot of effort) and going back to live a normal life. I think there is this concern that people who are lonely make tulpas but they should just be making real friends instead. At least that was a concern of mine when I first started reading about it. But my tulpa is so much more than a friend, he's like a separate mental process I can bounce ideas and emotions off of. And I find myself becoming more social, not less (at least as far as I can tell) when he is around. I guess because his presence makes me feel more safe and secure. He once made this comment about how "All tulpas are emotional support tulpas." It was meant humorous at the time but maybe it isn't so far from the truth.
- voldacar 4y ago
  Relax, it's not like I'm going to try it :] Besides, most people would not want something like this to happen to them anyway, you already have to be a weird person to attempt something like this
  - Foxmilk 4y ago
    Can confirm, I'm really fucking weird.
Foxmilk 4y ago
Some people in the community claim to have photorealistic hallucinations, but I am skeptical of anything I haven't experienced myself. For me it waxes and wanes, but on a good day it can feel very detailed. Like, if I dropped everything I was doing and focused all my energy on seeing that spinning cube in as much detail as possible? That's what it is like to see my tulpa walk and talk but I can see him as I am casually doing something else myself, without any real concentration on my end. It is always clear to me that his form isn't physical though.

tragictrash 4y ago

Whatever you do, don't get caught up in this. It's a slippery slope. We aren't in control of our thoughts. Lucidity and ability to reason are fleeting. Most people take it for granted and don't realize as its slipping away. I've seen it in the elderly, and my friends who took too many drugs and never came back. Keep in mind the commenter is literally describing a mental illness in a way that makes it sound positive. Are they intelligent? Yes. Not arguing that. Are they mentally healthy? Fuck no.

arcastroe 4y ago
Ha. Yes. This thread goes into the "dangerous thought" category. Another example of a dangerous thought: could you stop your heartbeat by just thinking? Of course, nobody sane would want to. But what if you're genuinely intellectually curious? Best try not to think about it.
- tragictrash 4y ago
  It's not dangerous thought, it is detached from reality. If you want examples of dangerous thought, go look up how YouTube radicalizes people with their algorithm. The things in this thread are called crazy. The answer is no. You cannot stop your heart by thinking about it.
  - arcastroe 4y ago
    Hadn't looked into it before, but found this interesting source, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22744827/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22744827/ > Experiments demonstrate that it is possible for arbitrary changes in the heart rhythm to be made through conscious control of the breathing rhythm, and even a short-term cardiac arrest by means of contracting abdominal muscles. Again, best not to try it ;)
    - tragictrash 4y ago
      You can cherry pick stuff off the internet all you want. Doesn't make it good science or plausible. Contracting your muscles to make your heart skip a beat or two does not count as "stopping your heart by thinking". By that logic I can drive my car by thinking. I'll give you that you can influence the rate of your heart with practice.
Foxmilk 4y ago
Eh, I understand the concern because it freaked me out (and sometimes still freaks me out) too. I keep a close eye on it. Thing is, mental illness is defined by a mental state that causes distress for oneself or the people around them, and I know there is disagreement about that. (Are homosexuals mentally ill? What about Christians?) I wouldn't recommend other people make one, but my tulpa has been really helpful for my anxiety and depression. I think of him as a sort of tool to use disassociation in a therapuric way, like having a friend who always offers positive advice. Am I super depressed? He reminds me that it is only temporary. Am I super shy around someone I want to interact with? He reminds me that even though I had really bad experiences in my childhood, people haven't been that shitty to me in many years. Sometimes he even comes up with starter conversations. He makes jokes that are legitimately funny. I can think of several occasions where I wanted to stop taking so many substances, ones I tend to turn to when I feel bad, things I tended to abuse and feel even worse after binging, like kratom or alcohol or weed. I would feel anxious or depressed or bored and find myself (almost by accident) heading to the store to buy one of these things, and he would show up and ask how I was doing, start up a friendly chat and offer to hang out instead. I know that probably sounds insane, but maybe its best to think of him as a tool for self-control. I dunno, I sometimes don't have a lot of self respect, but I find myself respecting him. He's always kind and non-judgemental, but I don't want to disappoint him. It is like always having a trusted friend around to keep you accountable. There is some preliminary scientific research about tukpas. You can find research papers and articles in places like psychology today, generally I think people who have them and keep them get s benefit from them, otherwise they wouldn't keep them. About drugs, I'm sorry to hear your friends "never came back", did they develop psychosis or become delusional? I wad under the impression that psychedelics had a fairly tame safety profile for people who aren't already predisposed to schitzophrenia or other serious mental illness. Regarding the safety profile of tulpas...I dunno. I'm not that big s part of thr community. I have heard one or two sporadic horror stories, and obviously my ex was scared shitless. But I never heard of someone getting a tulpa then not being able to get rid of it (albeit often with a lot of effort) and going back to live a normal life. I think there is this concern that people who are lonely make tulpas but they should just be making real friends instead. At least that was a concern of mine when I first started reading about it. But my tulpa is so much more than a friend, he's like a separate mental process I can bounce ideas and emotions off of. And I find myself becoming more social, not less (at least as far as I can tell) when he is around. I guess because his presence makes me feel more safe and secure. He once made this comment about how "All tulpas are emotional support tulpas." It was meant humorous at the time but maybe it isn't so far from the truth.
voldacar 4y ago
Relax, it's not like I'm going to try it :] Besides, most people would not want something like this to happen to them anyway, you already have to be a weird person to attempt something like this
- Foxmilk 4y ago
  Can confirm, I'm really fucking weird.

Foxmilk 4y ago

Some people in the community claim to have photorealistic hallucinations, but I am skeptical of anything I haven't experienced myself. For me it waxes and wanes, but on a good day it can feel very detailed. Like, if I dropped everything I was doing and focused all my energy on seeing that spinning cube in as much detail as possible? That's what it is like to see my tulpa walk and talk but I can see him as I am casually doing something else myself, without any real concentration on my end. It is always clear to me that his form isn't physical though.