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One thing I’ve been looking forward to for years: type out what kind of art asset you want for your videogame, then use it immediately. Can’t wait for it to be

One thing I’ve been looking forward to for years: type out what kind of art asset you want for your videogame, then use it immediately. Can’t wait for it to be 3D. Replit has the 2D case, and it’s awesome. 13yo me was blocked primarily by lack of art. Unity sort of solved that, but it’s not effortless (or free). Don’t really care if it annihilates everything that makes art special. The more creators, the better the world. (Is there a single counterexample in all of history?)

johtso 5y ago
I'm now imagining being able to spawn 3d assets in VR games just by describing them, that would be wild.
- mlyle 5y ago
  Maybe we're not too far from a "real" Scribblenauts. Where you can write what you want to have, and AI model instantiates it with what it thinks is plausible behavior.
  - robbedpeter 5y ago
    This like this are now a matter of automation and tedious scripting - you could easily integrate dall-e into a platform/sprite game builder. You could probably make a killing doing something like a minecraft skin generator... You could do fantastic, on-device 8-bit pixel art generators with clip and so the 80s and 90s spritemaps , and a high level gpt-3/ gpt-neo dialog or adventure generator. If you use constraints wisely, AI-Dungeon and KoboldAI can produce fantastic adventures. I'm excited about AI- augmented have development coming in the near future. Transformers tech is going to diffuse into everything creative and will amplify the quality of games.
hetspookjee 5y ago
Not really an argument against but perhaps something to consider: more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest [1], the why is difficult but it might indicate that it becomes harder and harder to find true quality through the noise, but then again art generation does make it easy for someone like me to make something pretty even though it might not be a masterpiece. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-... Edit: added source for the statement of old vs new music
- wingerlang 5y ago
  > more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest I doubt this, what do you base this on?
  - hetspookjee 5y ago
    I added the link to my comment but I took it from this article from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-...
- jason-phillips 5y ago
  > more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest Simple explanation? Sounds like your peer group is getting old.
  - garbagetime 5y ago
    Also, there's more and more old music. Although it gets complicated because it's getting easier and easier to make music.
  - Qworg 5y ago
    I recommend you read the article - unless Gen Z is abandoning streaming, the numbers are pretty shocking. While "new" is considered less than 18 months old, the shift is enormous.
    - jason-phillips 5y ago
      Thanks, will do. That link was added with an edit after my comment. Looks like a great article.
  - pnut 5y ago
    Pretty sure that getting old is a universal problem
- 5y ago
Eduard 5y ago
> The more creators, the better the world. (Is there a single counterexample in all of history?) E.g. all those auto-generated Wikipedia/StackOverflow/Github content copycats swamping search engines and making the canonical, up-to-date sources harder to find
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  Oh, good point. I keep winding up on those whenever I search for python examples. Hopefully stackoverflow outweighs the bad; it also hints that the solution might be to hook dalle3D to an upvote button and let crowdsourcing do its thing. Crowds would never upvote those spam sites to the top. But then again, fighting voting rings is hard too. Ah well, those are all problems for FutureCo. I wanna live in that world!
TrinaryWorksToo 5y ago
I wonder if it can do a 2d mesh + UV map so we could just load it into blender.
taigi100 5y ago
Hey - what exactly do you mean by "Replit has the 2D case"?
- FractalHQ 5y ago
  I was just about to ask the same thing…
keiferski 5y ago
We live in an age of abundance, yet our most prized art/architecture/aesthetic objects in general are from a less abundant time, when values like beauty or craftsmanship were more important than price or accessibility. Most of this AI-generated imagery will just be noise, as “artistic” as using Unsplash photos on your blog post.
avaer 5y ago
If you're interested in an open source job trying to do this in the browser using GPT-3 + Codex synthesis, we are hiring. (disclosure: I actually worked with the parent before but we haven't talked in forever :D)
tomc1985 5y ago
Ah yes, give everyone with no taste the means to create even more mediocrity. As if we aren't flooded with enough crap already!
- alimov 5y ago
  Your comment feels good to read, to some extent. We are flooded with low quality content (art, music, books, articles), but we also have more high quality content than (probably) ever before. When you say “give everyone with no taste the means to create more mediocrity” I get the sense that you are overwhelmed with search results or feeds that are saturated with things you find unimpressive. Some of that comes with age (more experiences - that eventually overlap - can/will leave us wanting something new), but I think that’s more of a problem with curation than it is with an over abundance of mediocrity, or a lack of newness. I doubt everyone would hop onto the bandwagon and start creating mediocre <thing>. You have to already be interested in something to partake in its creation, and taste doesn’t magically exist without dabbling and experience and exposure to whatever the <thing> is. So maybe some of what you are seeing is more people exploring their interests and you happen to have similar interests that are maybe more developed or refined or opinionated.
  - tomc1985 5y ago
    Even before the democratization of art we were still flooded with crap. I've spent a lot of time curating through DJing and collecting digital music, and the goal has always been to find that 1% that is amazing in the sea of 99% crap. That sea of 99% crap is beginning to feel like 99.9% if I widen my search parameters to all the "modern" sources that are algorithmically "curated" for me. Call me a gatekeeper but art needs barriers and it needs to be hard. The process of overcoming those barriers contributes to an artists' skill, and conquering the difficult helps them to define their own style. The platform should not be favoring the unaccomplished and the accomplished with equal weight. And the problem isn't just my feed. It's everyone's feed. Peoples' tastes conform to the constraints of the world around them -- if you grow up in a household and culture that loves bluegrass music, for example, there's a strong chance you will like it too. After talking with lots of local brewers I believe that IPAs are super popular around here because they're the most economical kind of beer to make in the climate I live in. Which means there's tons of them on the shelves, which means lots of people will buy them for no particular reason other than because they are there and suddenly now that's the predominant local taste. If we surround people with crap (which is what we are doing), crap becomes the new standard and the new taste, dragging down society along with it. We are currently doing this with computers and look at all the mediocrity we've created in tech so that the smallminded can give their money to enterpreneurs with equal weighting as the nerds. Barriers keep quality high!

johtso 5y ago

I'm now imagining being able to spawn 3d assets in VR games just by describing them, that would be wild.

mlyle 5y ago
Maybe we're not too far from a "real" Scribblenauts. Where you can write what you want to have, and AI model instantiates it with what it thinks is plausible behavior.
- robbedpeter 5y ago
  This like this are now a matter of automation and tedious scripting - you could easily integrate dall-e into a platform/sprite game builder. You could probably make a killing doing something like a minecraft skin generator... You could do fantastic, on-device 8-bit pixel art generators with clip and so the 80s and 90s spritemaps , and a high level gpt-3/ gpt-neo dialog or adventure generator. If you use constraints wisely, AI-Dungeon and KoboldAI can produce fantastic adventures. I'm excited about AI- augmented have development coming in the near future. Transformers tech is going to diffuse into everything creative and will amplify the quality of games.

hetspookjee 5y ago

Not really an argument against but perhaps something to consider: more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest [1], the why is difficult but it might indicate that it becomes harder and harder to find true quality through the noise, but then again art generation does make it easy for someone like me to make something pretty even though it might not be a masterpiece. [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-... Edit: added source for the statement of old vs new music

wingerlang 5y ago
> more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest I doubt this, what do you base this on?
- hetspookjee 5y ago
  I added the link to my comment but I took it from this article from the Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-killing-new-music/621339/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/old-music-...
jason-phillips 5y ago
> more and more people seem to be listening to old music instead of the latest and greatest Simple explanation? Sounds like your peer group is getting old.
- garbagetime 5y ago
  Also, there's more and more old music. Although it gets complicated because it's getting easier and easier to make music.
- Qworg 5y ago
  I recommend you read the article - unless Gen Z is abandoning streaming, the numbers are pretty shocking. While "new" is considered less than 18 months old, the shift is enormous.
  - jason-phillips 5y ago
    Thanks, will do. That link was added with an edit after my comment. Looks like a great article.
- pnut 5y ago
  Pretty sure that getting old is a universal problem
5y ago

Eduard 5y ago

> The more creators, the better the world. (Is there a single counterexample in all of history?) E.g. all those auto-generated Wikipedia/StackOverflow/Github content copycats swamping search engines and making the canonical, up-to-date sources harder to find

sillysaurusx 5y ago
Oh, good point. I keep winding up on those whenever I search for python examples. Hopefully stackoverflow outweighs the bad; it also hints that the solution might be to hook dalle3D to an upvote button and let crowdsourcing do its thing. Crowds would never upvote those spam sites to the top. But then again, fighting voting rings is hard too. Ah well, those are all problems for FutureCo. I wanna live in that world!

TrinaryWorksToo 5y ago

I wonder if it can do a 2d mesh + UV map so we could just load it into blender.

taigi100 5y ago

Hey - what exactly do you mean by "Replit has the 2D case"?

FractalHQ 5y ago
I was just about to ask the same thing…

keiferski 5y ago

We live in an age of abundance, yet our most prized art/architecture/aesthetic objects in general are from a less abundant time, when values like beauty or craftsmanship were more important than price or accessibility. Most of this AI-generated imagery will just be noise, as “artistic” as using Unsplash photos on your blog post.

avaer 5y ago

If you're interested in an open source job trying to do this in the browser using GPT-3 + Codex synthesis, we are hiring. (disclosure: I actually worked with the parent before but we haven't talked in forever :D)

tomc1985 5y ago

Ah yes, give everyone with no taste the means to create even more mediocrity. As if we aren't flooded with enough crap already!

alimov 5y ago
Your comment feels good to read, to some extent. We are flooded with low quality content (art, music, books, articles), but we also have more high quality content than (probably) ever before. When you say “give everyone with no taste the means to create more mediocrity” I get the sense that you are overwhelmed with search results or feeds that are saturated with things you find unimpressive. Some of that comes with age (more experiences - that eventually overlap - can/will leave us wanting something new), but I think that’s more of a problem with curation than it is with an over abundance of mediocrity, or a lack of newness. I doubt everyone would hop onto the bandwagon and start creating mediocre <thing>. You have to already be interested in something to partake in its creation, and taste doesn’t magically exist without dabbling and experience and exposure to whatever the <thing> is. So maybe some of what you are seeing is more people exploring their interests and you happen to have similar interests that are maybe more developed or refined or opinionated.
- tomc1985 5y ago
  Even before the democratization of art we were still flooded with crap. I've spent a lot of time curating through DJing and collecting digital music, and the goal has always been to find that 1% that is amazing in the sea of 99% crap. That sea of 99% crap is beginning to feel like 99.9% if I widen my search parameters to all the "modern" sources that are algorithmically "curated" for me. Call me a gatekeeper but art needs barriers and it needs to be hard. The process of overcoming those barriers contributes to an artists' skill, and conquering the difficult helps them to define their own style. The platform should not be favoring the unaccomplished and the accomplished with equal weight. And the problem isn't just my feed. It's everyone's feed. Peoples' tastes conform to the constraints of the world around them -- if you grow up in a household and culture that loves bluegrass music, for example, there's a strong chance you will like it too. After talking with lots of local brewers I believe that IPAs are super popular around here because they're the most economical kind of beer to make in the climate I live in. Which means there's tons of them on the shelves, which means lots of people will buy them for no particular reason other than because they are there and suddenly now that's the predominant local taste. If we surround people with crap (which is what we are doing), crap becomes the new standard and the new taste, dragging down society along with it. We are currently doing this with computers and look at all the mediocrity we've created in tech so that the smallminded can give their money to enterpreneurs with equal weighting as the nerds. Barriers keep quality high!