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It’s funny how it’s always the young at the forefront of new tech and rapidly disappear as soon as their parents start getting on the platform. I kinda get this

by pm90 5y ago

It’s funny how it’s always the young at the forefront of new tech and rapidly disappear as soon as their parents start getting on the platform. I kinda get this; I used to be on Facebook a lot, then my parents got on there, then all their age group, and that’s when both the experience started sucking (ads love older people with money) and the interactions started sucking (more weird/angry political nonsense/conspiracy shit). Older people just ruin social media platforms.

threeseed 5y ago
> Older people just ruin social media platforms. Not really. The best parts of Twitter are amongst professional circles where people use their real names and can provide unique insight into topics that you would never get anywhere else. For example all of the open source intelligence with Ukraine or learning about the intricacies of Brexit from actual trade negotiators. Whereas if you look at Reddit right now it is inundated with posts about the Depp/Heard case. And there is a visceral hatred towards Heard which is being driven by socially awkward, young men who are self-radicalising. It's really scary to watch.
- zmgsabst 5y ago
  - threeseed 5y ago
    Depp was found by a UK court to have assaulted Heard, on a dozen occasions and put her in “fear for her life” three times [1]. So for me it seems clear that they are both abusive and not worthy of anyone's time. But my point was that the Depp/Heard issue has very much crossed the line into being completely irrational and morphed into a generalised anti-women sentiment. And it's very much radicalising the younger men in particular on Reddit in ways you don't see on other social media platforms. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/25/johnny-depp-loses-bid-to-overturn-ruling-in-libel-case https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/25/johnny-depp-los...
    - zmgsabst 5y ago
      I think you should investigate deeper. I think the reason you’re not understanding is because you don’t understand the facts that are driving their behavior — behavior which makes sense when you view this trial as “not even Johnny Depp can get justice when a woman lies about him”. I find it genuinely interesting that you assume a group is irrational rather than consider you’ve been misinformed. There are many flaws in the UK case, involving the judge discounting the evidence of third parties while taking at face value the claims of Ms Heard. I would suggest watching the feed or summaries of the Virginia case, with Rekeita Law and Legal Bytes being two prominent channels covering the trial — both featuring panels of attorneys commenting on the case. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkjX3E0IhuUfPzL0FjSPaw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkjX3E0IhuUfPzL0FjSPaw https://www.youtube.com/c/LegalBytesMedia https://www.youtube.com/c/LegalBytesMedia I would recommend this Legal Bytes video for a primer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKmcRF38FU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKmcRF38FU
      - threeseed 5y ago
        I am not interested in the opinions of random people who aren't privy to the evidence. A judge has found Heard's allegations to be credible. And the onus is on Depp to file an appeal and seek higher courts if he disagrees with this.
  - scandox 5y ago
    I'm really surprised at this take on this case. Depp is a terrible figurehead to choose for such a cause. I've never felt oppressed as a male so I can't really comment on the more general aspect of your view.
    - zmgsabst 5y ago
      - scandox 5y ago
        1. He's a celebrity 2. He's extremely rich and clearly spoiled with household expenses exceeding 1m per month. 3. He has a career long history of infantile/destructive behavior - lots of which predates this case. I recall these reports from when I was a teen in the 1990s. 4. Culturally not a single thing he has worked on gives me the slightest interest in him. If someone wanted to engage my sympathies they certainly would not make me identify with such a person. As for the rest it sounds like an American problem so I'll leave that to the citizens of that great country to thrash out for themselves.
        zmgsabst 5y ago
        Okay — but to American men this situation comes across as: “Not even the fantastically wealthy Johnny Depp, who we grew up loving as Captain Jack, with all his wealth can defend himself against the false accusations of a clearly lying woman.” Do you really not understand how that would be radicalizing for people who saw Pirates of the Caribbean as kids and who faced similar sexism in their personal lives? To me, your position comes across as “I can’t personally relate to a victim, so I’m dismissing the concerns and experiences of an entire group.”
        pm90 5y ago
        > “Not even the fantastically wealthy Johnny Depp, who we grew up loving as Captain Jack, with all his wealth can defend himself against the false accusations of a clearly lying woman.” Yes he is clearly an outlier and what he is experiencing should not be taken as indicative of anything other than the whims of celebrity culture. It has 0 bearing on what “regular” people will experience.
- andrewzah 5y ago
  "he best parts of Twitter are amongst professional circles where people use their real names" Real names don't mean anything. Facebook/Twitter/Instagram have people with real names and there's still disgusting behavior and rude interactions. Real names don't mean anything when you're reduced from a person to pixels on a screen, separated by hundreds or thousands of miles. Reddit provides solace in that people can have more longform, nuanced discussions under an anonymous handle. So they don't have random people scouring through every post of theirs and pulling words out of context, like some witchhunters are doing with old emails. "Whereas if you look at Reddit right now it is inundated with posts about the Depp/Heard case." There wouldn't be much to discuss if the case were being handled fairly. Instead, you've got one party on tape actually admitting abuse of their partner, and yet the victim is the one who loses their career and has magazines printing lies about them. I want you to envision the public reaction to the case if the genders were reversed here. Any reasonable person can see that this situation is a clear example of unfair double standards, which is why it's being discussed so much. There are double standards for men and women, and I'd wager nearly every man alive right now knows about the double standards men face. That is why reddit, a male-dominated space, is highly interested in this case. This doesn't mean that women don't face double standards, of course, but reddit is not really able to discuss that well.
  - naoqj 5y ago
    > So they don't have random people scouring through every post of theirs and pulling words out of context, like some witchhunters are doing with old emails. You think?

by pm90 5y ago

threeseed 5y ago

> Older people just ruin social media platforms. Not really. The best parts of Twitter are amongst professional circles where people use their real names and can provide unique insight into topics that you would never get anywhere else. For example all of the open source intelligence with Ukraine or learning about the intricacies of Brexit from actual trade negotiators. Whereas if you look at Reddit right now it is inundated with posts about the Depp/Heard case. And there is a visceral hatred towards Heard which is being driven by socially awkward, young men who are self-radicalising. It's really scary to watch.

zmgsabst 5y ago
- threeseed 5y ago
  Depp was found by a UK court to have assaulted Heard, on a dozen occasions and put her in “fear for her life” three times [1]. So for me it seems clear that they are both abusive and not worthy of anyone's time. But my point was that the Depp/Heard issue has very much crossed the line into being completely irrational and morphed into a generalised anti-women sentiment. And it's very much radicalising the younger men in particular on Reddit in ways you don't see on other social media platforms. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/25/johnny-depp-loses-bid-to-overturn-ruling-in-libel-case https://www.theguardian.com/film/2021/mar/25/johnny-depp-los...
  - zmgsabst 5y ago
    I think you should investigate deeper. I think the reason you’re not understanding is because you don’t understand the facts that are driving their behavior — behavior which makes sense when you view this trial as “not even Johnny Depp can get justice when a woman lies about him”. I find it genuinely interesting that you assume a group is irrational rather than consider you’ve been misinformed. There are many flaws in the UK case, involving the judge discounting the evidence of third parties while taking at face value the claims of Ms Heard. I would suggest watching the feed or summaries of the Virginia case, with Rekeita Law and Legal Bytes being two prominent channels covering the trial — both featuring panels of attorneys commenting on the case. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkjX3E0IhuUfPzL0FjSPaw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbkjX3E0IhuUfPzL0FjSPaw https://www.youtube.com/c/LegalBytesMedia https://www.youtube.com/c/LegalBytesMedia I would recommend this Legal Bytes video for a primer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKmcRF38FU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMKmcRF38FU
    - threeseed 5y ago
      I am not interested in the opinions of random people who aren't privy to the evidence. A judge has found Heard's allegations to be credible. And the onus is on Depp to file an appeal and seek higher courts if he disagrees with this.
- scandox 5y ago
  I'm really surprised at this take on this case. Depp is a terrible figurehead to choose for such a cause. I've never felt oppressed as a male so I can't really comment on the more general aspect of your view.
  - zmgsabst 5y ago
    - scandox 5y ago
      1. He's a celebrity 2. He's extremely rich and clearly spoiled with household expenses exceeding 1m per month. 3. He has a career long history of infantile/destructive behavior - lots of which predates this case. I recall these reports from when I was a teen in the 1990s. 4. Culturally not a single thing he has worked on gives me the slightest interest in him. If someone wanted to engage my sympathies they certainly would not make me identify with such a person. As for the rest it sounds like an American problem so I'll leave that to the citizens of that great country to thrash out for themselves.
      - zmgsabst 5y ago
        Okay — but to American men this situation comes across as: “Not even the fantastically wealthy Johnny Depp, who we grew up loving as Captain Jack, with all his wealth can defend himself against the false accusations of a clearly lying woman.” Do you really not understand how that would be radicalizing for people who saw Pirates of the Caribbean as kids and who faced similar sexism in their personal lives? To me, your position comes across as “I can’t personally relate to a victim, so I’m dismissing the concerns and experiences of an entire group.”
        pm90 5y ago
        > “Not even the fantastically wealthy Johnny Depp, who we grew up loving as Captain Jack, with all his wealth can defend himself against the false accusations of a clearly lying woman.” Yes he is clearly an outlier and what he is experiencing should not be taken as indicative of anything other than the whims of celebrity culture. It has 0 bearing on what “regular” people will experience.
andrewzah 5y ago
"he best parts of Twitter are amongst professional circles where people use their real names" Real names don't mean anything. Facebook/Twitter/Instagram have people with real names and there's still disgusting behavior and rude interactions. Real names don't mean anything when you're reduced from a person to pixels on a screen, separated by hundreds or thousands of miles. Reddit provides solace in that people can have more longform, nuanced discussions under an anonymous handle. So they don't have random people scouring through every post of theirs and pulling words out of context, like some witchhunters are doing with old emails. "Whereas if you look at Reddit right now it is inundated with posts about the Depp/Heard case." There wouldn't be much to discuss if the case were being handled fairly. Instead, you've got one party on tape actually admitting abuse of their partner, and yet the victim is the one who loses their career and has magazines printing lies about them. I want you to envision the public reaction to the case if the genders were reversed here. Any reasonable person can see that this situation is a clear example of unfair double standards, which is why it's being discussed so much. There are double standards for men and women, and I'd wager nearly every man alive right now knows about the double standards men face. That is why reddit, a male-dominated space, is highly interested in this case. This doesn't mean that women don't face double standards, of course, but reddit is not really able to discuss that well.
- naoqj 5y ago
  > So they don't have random people scouring through every post of theirs and pulling words out of context, like some witchhunters are doing with old emails. You think?