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Oh cool; higher education. My hobby horse. Here's the thing.. all of these statements are true: - Higher education can give you a great professional career pa
by ErrantX 15y ago
Oh cool; higher education. My hobby horse.
Here's the thing.. all of these statements are true:
- Higher education can give you a great professional career path
- Higher education can give you social skills
The problem is this; there is a third option, which is not to go into higher education and to do something vocational. Unfortunately we live in a world where this is a worse option.
That is fucking unbelievable.
I just got someone in to do a bit of extension work on my house. It looks great, it is precise craftsmanship from someone who has worked at it his whole life. He learned it vocationally and worked his way up to a pretty successful living. OK, so he is not making millions, but neither do most graudates.
Here in the UK, at least, it is assumed you are aiming to go to university and get a degree. In my time it was pretty bad, I think now it is even worse.
That's such a worrying idea; I mean, if everyone is a high flying management executive, who the hell are they managing?
Kids are sold this idea that you have to go and get a degree and then your life will pan out for you. What a joke; you can hardly blame students for being dissillusioned when they realise that they now have a stonking debt, and there are still no guarantees.
I'm not criticising the risk of doing higher education on debt, just that we lie to our younger generations and pretend that it is a done deal if they just get through a couple years are uni.
Fucking stupid.
We need to refocus. Going from school at 16 to college to learn, say, graphic design is awesome. Except as a society we are supposed to roll our eyes and go "oh, college.. right."
I myself fall into the second of my bullet points; my career now is entirely through finding a job for my hobby skills, learning a new "trade" (digital forensics) on the job, and working my way up. Sure, I learned a lot about critical thinking in my degree, but the real takeaway was earning some friends, developing some social skills, making connections, letting myself go for a bit (uptight as a kid, sigh..). My career is entirely self-made at this point (learning programming myself, before uni., Learning forensics. Learning business acumen. etc.) - there are many many similar people out there but because I went to university I must be somehow awesome at this! here's the joke - my grade was about average because I barely turned up for lectures, having more interesting things to do :)
The aggravating thing is that I look at really smart, capable people being passed over because they never went to university. Because it is ingrained, now, that for any vocation there is a degree for it.
The education revolution, when it comes, doesn't have much to do with cost. But with perception.
- orky56 15y agoPeter Theil's partner in the debate was Charles Murray. He was actually advocating for a new system of education that emulates the vocational/trade idea for pretty much all subjects. He says that every topic and subject you learn should be learned through post-secondary education (2 years instead of 4 years) and then followed by a certification exam. Lastly and perhaps most importantly would be an apprenticeship to actually perfect the craft in the field with someone more knowledgeable. My personal issue with this whole debate is which are we referring to. Potentially college-bound students who are HN readers and have the capacity to understand how to be didactic/resourceful AND know which field to enter, are probably the ones who will probably not benefit as much from college as other students. This group is less than 1% of college-bound students. Yet all these debates and discussions are focused on them. Thiel with his 20 under 20 and Bienen at Northwestern are catering to the top few. What about the rest? Those who are not sure what they want to do. Those who need some formal education to actually learn something. College is for this majority. Yes, an improved, affordable college that focuses more on career skills would be better. But whatever state it's in, these students need to be there to escape low-paying jobs when they themselves are ready to pursue more knowledge-based careers. /rant P.S. It really was an exciting debate to see in person, especially the part where Vivek Wadhwa got excited and challenged Thiel on the spot.