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And yet if you read their marketing material: "Have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child." This is Tesla to a tee. What marketing promises,

And yet if you read their marketing material: "Have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child." This is Tesla to a tee. What marketing promises, the fine print take away.

mhh__ 5y ago
- notwedtm 5y ago
  You're probably thinking of SpaceX. While it's not Tesla, it is another multi-billion dollar company pioneering an industry so I can see how you might get them confused. Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. I would love to see a CEO who doesn't have flaws.
  - angus-prune 5y ago
    I think thats a bit dismissive. All of Elons's ventures are linked back to his dreams of Mars and he's been pretty open about this. The Boring company is about subsurface construction on Mars. Fully automated factories are about manufacturing on mars (and in orbit). Electric cars, self-driving technolgy and hyperloop are about transportation on mars. Solar City and batteries are about the power grid on mars. SpaceX is about getting to mars.
  - McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
    > Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. This is like hearing people talking about how it's worth-while to give money to the church in the hope to secure themselves heaven. Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. In the same timeframe Google became ubiquitous, Microsoft put a PC on every desk and Amazon became the way we shop. The stark contrast between the presence of Tesla and Musk in the financial press (or every press he can summon really) and the absence of products in the real world is all an educated person needs to characterize this individual and the scheme he engineered.
    - ehvatum 5y ago
      > Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. You haven’t heard of Starlink or the Model S? I can drive 120 electric miles to my country cabin, where there is no cell service and wired broadband tops out at about 32 kilobit per second USR modems, and I can open a RDC connections to my CNC machines, play low latency games, blow things up with det cord and cast boosters. It’s pretty cool, man. > the absence of products in the real world Again, you haven’t heard of Space-X or Tesla? They make some very successful and widely used products. No marketing department - I guess that’s why this is all new to you?
      - McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
        > They make some very successful and widely used products Widely used by who exactly? Go Karts for rich people and rockets? What's the quality of life for the broad population in that? People ranging from NYC Billionaire's Row all the way to Subsaharn Africa use Google Search every day, Android, Microsoft Windows too, likewise Facebook and Youtube. Your message only evidences how bubbles of wealth manage to isolate wealthy individuals from regular people problems.
        nebulous_two 5y ago
        Did you forget what site you're on? Tech people might be good debaters but they are rarely good at relating
        McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
        Right, I mean just look at my handle, I love toys and especially toys I can't afford but pretending they are anything more than toys is kinda cultish. To reiterate in order to include non tech companies Walmart sold 600B dollars worth of products, Amazon 400B. Berkshire has 800B worth of premiums under management. These are real life being impacted with straight injections of quality of life.
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And yet if you read their marketing material: "Have your car come to you while you deal with a fussy child." This is Tesla to a tee. What marketing promises, the fine print take away.

mhh__ 5y ago

notwedtm 5y ago
You're probably thinking of SpaceX. While it's not Tesla, it is another multi-billion dollar company pioneering an industry so I can see how you might get them confused. Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. I would love to see a CEO who doesn't have flaws.
- angus-prune 5y ago
  I think thats a bit dismissive. All of Elons's ventures are linked back to his dreams of Mars and he's been pretty open about this. The Boring company is about subsurface construction on Mars. Fully automated factories are about manufacturing on mars (and in orbit). Electric cars, self-driving technolgy and hyperloop are about transportation on mars. Solar City and batteries are about the power grid on mars. SpaceX is about getting to mars.
- McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
  > Musk is eccentric sure, but at the end of the day the two companies are building emmission-free vehicles and trying to make humanity an interplanetary species. Both of these are pretty worth-while goals, imho. This is like hearing people talking about how it's worth-while to give money to the church in the hope to secure themselves heaven. Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. In the same timeframe Google became ubiquitous, Microsoft put a PC on every desk and Amazon became the way we shop. The stark contrast between the presence of Tesla and Musk in the financial press (or every press he can summon really) and the absence of products in the real world is all an educated person needs to characterize this individual and the scheme he engineered.
  - ehvatum 5y ago
    > Tesla and SpaceX are not young companies, they have been around for 20 years now. Quality of life provided to the American consumer in this timeframe? Zero, zip, none. You haven’t heard of Starlink or the Model S? I can drive 120 electric miles to my country cabin, where there is no cell service and wired broadband tops out at about 32 kilobit per second USR modems, and I can open a RDC connections to my CNC machines, play low latency games, blow things up with det cord and cast boosters. It’s pretty cool, man. > the absence of products in the real world Again, you haven’t heard of Space-X or Tesla? They make some very successful and widely used products. No marketing department - I guess that’s why this is all new to you?
    - McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
      > They make some very successful and widely used products Widely used by who exactly? Go Karts for rich people and rockets? What's the quality of life for the broad population in that? People ranging from NYC Billionaire's Row all the way to Subsaharn Africa use Google Search every day, Android, Microsoft Windows too, likewise Facebook and Youtube. Your message only evidences how bubbles of wealth manage to isolate wealthy individuals from regular people problems.
      - nebulous_two 5y ago
        Did you forget what site you're on? Tech people might be good debaters but they are rarely good at relating
        McLaren_Ferrari 5y ago
        Right, I mean just look at my handle, I love toys and especially toys I can't afford but pretending they are anything more than toys is kinda cultish. To reiterate in order to include non tech companies Walmart sold 600B dollars worth of products, Amazon 400B. Berkshire has 800B worth of premiums under management. These are real life being impacted with straight injections of quality of life.
        deleted 5y ago